The notion that we are inherently racist is crap. Argue for it all you want but as you said you know I won't be convinced.
kennykyle: "Racism is an action, not a thought or opinion."
Silesian response: "Is that how it is defined on planet kennykyle?"
Onebrow response: "That's how it is used by people who stody the phenomenon."
Silesian response: "Then it should be very easy for you to provide 3 quotes from scholars of racism that state that racism is purely action, completely independent of thought or opinion.."
One Brow response: "Tell you what: when you show you have given this enough thought to accurately restate what I said, then I'll be happy to oblige."
So, I don't need to accurately restate what you said, Onebrow, I just need to copy and paste it. Or did you not give your post that agreed with kennykyle's definition enough thought? Now, will you oblige, or are you going to find another excuse?
^^^ While I disagree with many of One Brows stances I see him as an intelligent, honest person. I'm not fond of your overly aggressive tone.
Racism is pejorative. I have difficulty believing you can prove otherwise.
What One Brow seems to be confusing is the definitions of bias and racism. They are not the same thing.
Racism itself is not culturally based. Perpetuation of racism does occur if the culture accepts that viewpoint, but racism itself is not culture. Culture is way too complicated to be narrowed into one viewpoint.
Racism is irrational. I've said this before. Bias based in fact is not racism.
Originally Posted by negative reputation giver
I can appreciate you have some picture in your head of a "racist", a hood-wearing, cross-burning extremist that is nothing like you or your friends. To you, that's the basis of racism. In your position of priviledge, not seeing other bases of racism has no ill effects. Others, in a different position, are required to see more or suffer the consequences of their blindness.
As I have pointed out, think of racism as a property of individuals, as someone that a single person holds to, is one of the coping mechanisms/rationalizations we use to avoid addressing the uses we make of the stereotypes and cognitive shortcuts that are the true foundation of racism. It's a means rto otherize an internal problem. There is no such thing as "just one racist"; I have become convinced that even referring to a person as "a racist" is undescriptive and counter-productive. People can hold prejudices for good or ill; racism requires the system.
Further, you can indeed have racism without people who conciously hold racist opinions. When a police officer interprets the behavior of a light-skinned person as no suspicious, and the same movements in a dark-skinned person as suspicious, that is racism, but almost never in this day and age is it concious racism. When a prosecutor determines the crime by a light-skinned person is a misdemeanor, and the same crime by a dark-skinned person is a felony, that is racism, but almost never in this day and age is it concious racism. When employers hire black with no criminal record at about the same rate as whites with a criminal record, that is racism, but almost never in this day and age is it concious racism. Racism has its own version of inertia, as we pass our cultural shortcuts and assumptions on from one generation to the next.
2) When I pointed out that yuou had not read me correctly, you chose to double down on your mis-reading, rather than consider you might have misunderstood something.
3) You seem to think a simple restatement of a conversation you have misunderstood will convince people you did not misunderstand. It does not.
I have no interest in defending men of straw. When I see some sign that you care enough about the discussion to interpret me correctly, or ask for clarification, then I will probably go through the effort of linking to a few people.
I agree that there is far more to culture than the perpetuation of racism, but I don't think that is a sufficient reason to say racism is not culturally based. What do you consider the basis of racism that is separate from culture?
I agree with your third paragraph entirely.
The reason I disagree with your "we are all racists" stance is that my generation and especially the generations that follow mine are much more racial mixed and exposed. There are many more interacial families with racial mixed off spring. People have more and more friends from all walks of life.
My best friend happens to be arabic. I was married to a hispanic woman. My best friend in high school was a black kid. To me they are just them. Not my "black friend". Just my friend. No difference.
That is rapidly becoming more prevelant. Granted there is a long, hard road to go before things truly get better but it is happening.
I base my stance on my lifes experiences. This is what I know to be true by seeing it and a very hands on knowledge. I have been shot at because I am white. No other reason. White guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. No other reason. I have been assaulted over my religion. No other reason. This was over a 7 year period so it was not a weekend or anything that quick. I've had the shoe on the other foot. Where I am the drastic minority. Where I look physically different than almost anyone else. I have been denied entrance to clubs and groups. So yes I know how both sides feel.
I stand here proudly and reject your notion that every member of mankind is racist. Why? because I know those that are not. I hope to be as good as them.
Originally Posted by negative reputation giver
Onebrow, I can only comment on what you said, which is that people who study racism believe it to be an action, not a thought or opinion. I gave you several examples of people who study racism that indicates this to be untrue. Since we are both stuck to your convictions here, so not much sense of continuing the discussion.