His post is a bit more stupid than that, since his analogy would mean that he'd rather pedophilia be legal.
Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up
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His post is a bit more stupid than that, since his analogy would mean that he'd rather pedophilia be legal.
It's actually been a good discussion.
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Give dutch some time
That's not exactly true. In fact, this type of polarizing all-issues-or-none mentality is why those of us in the middle of most issues have no where to vote.
There is a strong argument being made that gun crime in the US is largely a product of southern hick mentality. Basically, a bunch of billy bad asses with pride to protect.
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You've asked for answers to the inner city plight of mainly African Americans. If anyone here really wants to find the answers they will find the leading minds in this area have no clue how to solve the problem. The only sure fire answer is J-O-B-S. I've read a lot of cliche's thrown around in this thread including the family unit, education, etc. None of those work AT ALL without jobs.
Those blaming the break up of the AA family unit are as misguided as they come. AA's had a higher % of traditional family units than Caucasians before the widespread loss of manufacturing jobs in large city centers, and with an inability to follow these jobs to the more rural, cheap land areas. This isn't anything that can be correlated or sourced with a study of course, but the circumstantial evidence is as sound of an argument in support as it gets.
If America wants to put a dent in violence in the USA we need to declare targeted 'war' on Detroit, Chicago, etc. Make jobs. Provide protection. Make more jobs.
Go to a gun show and try to buy a gun through one of those loop holes and get back to me.
Not trying to be a jerk but that gun show loop hole is a myth.
What if a person needed an evaluation as part of the background check? They have to sit down and explain to a therapist why they are buying a gun.
HighlandHomie
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I agree. I had to work the rest of the day since I started the thread and just caught up. I honestly am not a troll and don't think anything in the original post would infer I am. I get carried away with my interactions with DutchJazz because he's the scum of the earth but everything else I say is perfectly reasonable.
gandalfe
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The US/Canada border is the largest unsecured border in the world. WTF are you talking about?
Cappy_Smurf
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What? This varies from state to state, but last I checked most states don't require any kind of background check at gun shows. I'm kinda jumping into the middle of this, so maybe I'm missing something.
gandalfe
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You are correct, Cappy.
"Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks of buyers to verify that the buyer is not prohibited from possessing a firearm. Private sellers are also not required to record the sale or ask for identification. Federal law prohibits private individuals from selling a firearm to a resident of another state, or to someone they know, or have reason to believe, is prohibited from owning a firearm. As of August 2013, 33 states do not require background checks for sales of firearms by private individuals, while 17 states and Washington, D.C. do require background checks for some or all private firearm sales. This is in contrast to sales by gun stores and other Federal Firearms License holders, who are required by federal law to perform background checks of all buyers, and to record all sales."
I mean, seriously, people, this is basic research.
Gun stores typically are the sellers at gun shows and they still have to do background checks. Sales from private individuals to private individuals do not require background checks. Go to a gun show and see how many sellers are private individuals.
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gandalfe
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If that number is greater than 0, then IT'S STILL A LOOPHOLE.
Well I have never seen a private seller. Booth fees are kind of high for someone looking to sell one or two of their guns. But again, anti gun folks looking at a huge problem and trying to solve the one in a million problem instead of going after the low hanging fruit.
gandalfe
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It is true that a gun show is not the most likely place for this kind of thing to happen. (Although I wonder how much time you have spent examining it.) Booth fees, etc... But I would not be at all shocked to find that a lot of people meet a seller there and conduct their business elsewhere.
But, yes, you're right, the gun show is not the biggest problem.
Cappy_Smurf
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I go to gun shows every year, and have been for 20 + years. Like I said, this varies from state to state. I don't know what it's like in Utah, but I do know that in Montana, pretty much anybody can buy pretty much anything they want without any check. My experience is that there are way more private sellers at gun shows than licensed dealers.
Cappy_Smurf
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In contrast, I've recently moved to Washington state, where I can't legally own a couple of guns that were given to me by my father, without going through a bunch of red tape. Gun laws can vary by a wide margin from state to state.
More than I had, so thank you. But wikipedia, and the sources listed at the bottom of this page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
Still cite this as a problem. Seven attempts to close the loop hole have failed, which leads one to believe it's still a problem, just not likely as much as I had anticipated.
Again, thank you for your contribution.
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Utah also ha s a very percentage of single parent households!
19% snigle household parents.
go compare that to baltimore detroit or chicago
. here in the netherlands you get 28 days to self deport.