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Joe Johnson's Winning Shot

Saint Cy of JFC said:
When your defensive strategy is to switch it's hard to not switch, especially with no timeout. He might try to fight through and JC isnt on the same page and it leaves Ingles, a top NBA shooter, wide open.
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It's hard to come down the court and get the exact play and shot you wanted without a timeout, too. The bottom line is that great players rise to the occasion, defensively and offensively. Watch Blake again on that play. Never fully commits to doing anything. Froze up during what might turn out to be the 10 most important seconds of the Clippers' season.
 
Also, I don't remember this being posted.

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And yes, that is actually Baron Davis in the camo hoodie, sitting courtside.
 
JimLes said:
It's hard to come down the court and get the exact play and shot you wanted without a timeout, too. The bottom line is that great players rise to the occasion, defensively and offensively. Watch Blake again on that play. Never fully commits to doing anything. Froze up during what might turn out to be the 10 most important seconds of the Clippers' season.
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Not really. Making a simple PNR into an isolation isnt hard to do. It's harder to change your defensive scheme on the fly without being able to plan for it. And again, Blake has to switch on out a guy who finished in the top 3 in 3pt shooting in the NBA, he has a reason to be hesitant to double or call for a non-switch scheme change on the fly. If he doubles Johnson early he swings it to a wide open Ingles.

It's what makes this lineup so effective. Griffin cant help because he's guarding the leagues top 3pt shooter. CP3 cant help because he is hugging Hayward, the team's best player. Jordan can't move up too early or he leaves Favors wide open for an easy dunk. JJ has stay in his spot to cover the kickout to Hill (excellent 3pt shooter) or help on Favors if DeAndre steps up. Spacing allowed Johnson to get a shot off and any early help from teh Clippers would have been punished with a wide open shot from a good shooter.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Not really. Making a simple PNR into an isolation isnt hard to do. It's harder to change your defensive scheme on the fly without being able to plan for it. And again, Blake has to switch on out a guy who finished in the top 3 in 3pt shooting in the NBA, he has a reason to be hesitant to double or call for a non-switch scheme change on the fly. If he doubles Johnson early he swings it to a wide open Ingles.

It's what makes this lineup so effective. Griffin cant help because he's guarding the leagues top 3pt shooter. CP3 cant help because he is hugging Hayward, the team's best player. Jordan can't move up too early or he leaves Favors wide open for an easy dunk. JJ has stay in his spot to cover the kickout to Hill (excellent 3pt shooter) or help on Favors if DeAndre steps up. Spacing allowed Johnson to get a shot off and any early help from teh Clippers would have been punished with a wide open shot from a good shooter.
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your points are heard. But, imagine the jazz would have used a timeout... Is there any conceivable way that Doc would have allowed for Crawford to be matched up 1-on-1 with Joe Jesus? No. How many playoff games has Ingles been in? How many has he won? Griffin should have forced the ball out of Joe's hands in that situation; the Clippers had a better chance of winning by making the ball switch hands in a pressure-packed situation; Griffin should have known that.
 
JimLes said:
Also, I don't remember this being posted.

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And yes, that is actually Baron Davis in the camo hoodie, sitting courtside.
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Baron Davis is thinking to himself...I was complete garbage at the age of 32 when I retired...JJ is almost 36 years old and still dominating...wtf?
 
NAOS said:
your points are heard. But, imagine the jazz would have used a timeout... Is there any conceivable way that Doc would have allowed for Crawford to be matched up 1-on-1 with Joe Jesus? No. How many playoff games has Ingles been in? How many has he won? Griffin should have forced the ball out of Joe's hands in that situation; the Clippers had a better chance of winning by making the ball switch hands in a pressure-packed situation; Griffin should have known that.
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If the Jazz would have called a timeout they would have switched personnel and put Mbah in the game for Crawford, no doubt. Highly doubtful Crawford stays in the game with a timeout.

Ingles has won a European Championship in the toughest league other than the NBA. It's not like he is some green scrub. He is an elite 3pt shooter. It's easy to say in hindsight he should have hard doubled to get the ball out of his hands. If he does that then CP3 probably has to help on Ingles, leaving Hayward wide open. If Redick rotates, then they have Hill wide open in the corner. So it's basically give up a wide open 3 to three different 40% or better 3pt shooters or let Johnson attempt a fairly tough shot shot, especially driving into DeAndre's help defense. It's not like the last shot Johnson got was easy, it clears the outstretched hand of DeAndre only by a couple of inches.

If the situation were reversed, would you rather give up a wide open 3 to very good 3pt shooters or have someone drive into Rudy Gobert help for an attempted shot? I just dont place Griffin high on the list of people I would blame in this situation.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If the Jazz would have called a timeout they would have switched personnel and put Mbah in the game for Crawford, no doubt. Highly doubtful Crawford stays in the game with a timeout.

Ingles has won a European Championship in the toughest league other than the NBA. It's not like he is some green scrub. He is an elite 3pt shooter. It's easy to say in hindsight he should have hard doubled to get the ball out of his hands. If he does that then CP3 probably has to help on Ingles, leaving Hayward wide open. If Redick rotates, then they have Hill wide open in the corner. So it's basically give up a wide open 3 to three different 40% or better 3pt shooters or let Johnson attempt a fairly tough shot shot, especially driving into DeAndre's help defense. It's not like the last shot Johnson got was easy, it clears the outstretched hand of DeAndre only by a couple of inches.

If the situation were reversed, would you rather give up a wide open 3 to very good 3pt shooters or have someone drive into Rudy Gobert help for an attempted shot? I just dont place Griffin high on the list of people I would blame in this situation.
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So what's your point, exactly? That spacing is good? Who's arguing that with you?

If the situation is revered, I don't let the Assassin of the Decade go against my weakest defender. I'm hoping my star players don't allow that to happen.

But, look. You've made up your mind about something. When you and Beanclown do that, nobody expects you to change your mind.

Joe Jesus made a ****ing awesome play, but it's entirely fair to throw shade at the whole Clippers lineup on the floor (besides DJ, probably); Griffin is at the tip of the Blame Spear, though, because he should have rotated first.
 
You'd think I'd get sick of seeing this clip after the 100th time but it has yet to happen.
 
Can't get enough of this

Been blown away by JJ's BB IQ this season. He is a great iso player AND an excellent decision maker.
 
This video needs further analizing. Watch the defense on Hayward by CP3. CP3 takes a few steps backward and then sticks his arm out wipes it on Hayward. Hayward visibly is knocked backwards. I have a friend who is in the cleaning crew at Vivent. He said during the last time out, CP3 rushed to the bathroom and took a huge dump. This bowl wiper was so huge that it stuck 12" above the rim. How does he know? He didn't flush. Also, there was no toilet paper in the water. It wasn't strength that pushed Hayward back, but the shock of horrific, putrid, smell coming off of CP3's hands. No paper + huge dump = hand wipe. CP3 = Crap Poo 3 foot dooker.
 
jazzlurker said:
This video needs further analizing. Watch the defense on Hayward by CP3. CP3 takes a few steps backward and then sticks his arm out wipes it on Hayward. Hayward visibly is knocked backwards. I have a friend who is in the cleaning crew at Vivent. He said during the last time out, CP3 rushed to the bathroom and took a huge dump. This bowl wiper was so huge that it stuck 12" above the rim. How does he know? He didn't flush. Also, there was no toilet paper in the water. It wasn't strength that pushed Hayward back, but the shock of horrific, putrid, smell coming off of CP3's hands. No paper + huge dump = hand wipe. CP3 = Crap Poo 3 foot dooker.
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OK, except this game was at the Staples Center....
 
jazzlurker said:
This video needs further analizing. Watch the defense on Hayward by CP3. CP3 takes a few steps backward and then sticks his arm out wipes it on Hayward. Hayward visibly is knocked backwards. I have a friend who is in the cleaning crew at Vivent. He said during the last time out, CP3 rushed to the bathroom and took a huge dump. This bowl wiper was so huge that it stuck 12" above the rim. How does he know? He didn't flush. Also, there was no toilet paper in the water. It wasn't strength that pushed Hayward back, but the shock of horrific, putrid, smell coming off of CP3's hands. No paper + huge dump = hand wipe. CP3 = Crap Poo 3 foot dooker.
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Is your buddy also on cleaning crew at Staples Center?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If the Jazz would have called a timeout they would have switched personnel and put Mbah in the game for Crawford, no doubt. Highly doubtful Crawford stays in the game with a timeout.

Ingles has won a European Championship in the toughest league other than the NBA. It's not like he is some green scrub. He is an elite 3pt shooter. It's easy to say in hindsight he should have hard doubled to get the ball out of his hands. If he does that then CP3 probably has to help on Ingles, leaving Hayward wide open. If Redick rotates, then they have Hill wide open in the corner. So it's basically give up a wide open 3 to three different 40% or better 3pt shooters or let Johnson attempt a fairly tough shot shot, especially driving into DeAndre's help defense. It's not like the last shot Johnson got was easy, it clears the outstretched hand of DeAndre only by a couple of inches.

If the situation were reversed, would you rather give up a wide open 3 to very good 3pt shooters or have someone drive into Rudy Gobert help for an attempted shot? I just dont place Griffin high on the list of people I would blame in this situation.
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I would without a question rather have Joe Ingles shoot an open three for the win at the buzzer in the playoffs than have Joe Johnson shoot a contested 5-6ft floater. Apart from leaving Favors for an open lob dunk, if I was the Clippers, I'd take my chances on anyone but Johnson taking that shot.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If the Jazz would have called a timeout they would have switched personnel and put Mbah in the game for Crawford, no doubt. Highly doubtful Crawford stays in the game with a timeout.

Ingles has won a European Championship in the toughest league other than the NBA. It's not like he is some green scrub. He is an elite 3pt shooter. It's easy to say in hindsight he should have hard doubled to get the ball out of his hands. If he does that then CP3 probably has to help on Ingles, leaving Hayward wide open. If Redick rotates, then they have Hill wide open in the corner. So it's basically give up a wide open 3 to three different 40% or better 3pt shooters or let Johnson attempt a fairly tough shot shot, especially driving into DeAndre's help defense. It's not like the last shot Johnson got was easy, it clears the outstretched hand of DeAndre only by a couple of inches.

If the situation were reversed, would you rather give up a wide open 3 to very good 3pt shooters or have someone drive into Rudy Gobert help for an attempted shot? I just dont place Griffin high on the list of people I would blame in this situation.
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The clippers were ****ed the second they missed the shot, and Jamal was in guarding Joe after the switch. If they doubled JJ there was an open shot coming from somewhere. JJ timed his drive perfectly because it left time for him to dump it off in case the double came. Credit to an insanely level-headed late game player.

JJ himself said that doubles rarely come at the end of games-- he's not wrong, most coaches know this. If you want a well-known example, think about what happened when the Jazz doubled Jordan late-game, in the Finals.

The double has to come at the right time, and it more-or-less did from DAJ-- but Jamal decked him in the mid-section so the contest wasn't as good as it could have been.

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Also, this was the first time *this season* that JJ had the ball in his hands for the final possession-- the Clippers were obviously very focused on keeping George and Hayward out of it, and not giving up an open-look to a tenured player who's played in big-games and nearly leads the league in 3PP.

If you're going to fault the Clippers, you have to look away from this play. Look at their careless turnovers in the first, the technical earlier in the 4th, the inability to get CP3 going earlier in the game, and their inability to use Blake in any play outside of a post-up in the 4th quarter.
 
dalamon said:
The clippers were ****ed the second they missed the shot, and Jamal was in guarding Joe after the switch. If they doubled JJ there was an open shot coming from somewhere. JJ timed his drive perfectly because it left time for him to dump it off in case the double came. Credit to an insanely level-headed late game player.

JJ himself said that doubles rarely come at the end of games-- he's not wrong, most coaches know this. If you want a well-known example, think about what happened when the Jazz doubled Jordan late-game, in the Finals.

The double has to come at the right time, and it more-or-less did from DAJ-- but Jamal decked him in the mid-section so the contest wasn't as good as it could have been.

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Also, this was the first time *this season* that JJ had the ball in his hands for the final possession-- the Clippers were obviously very focused on keeping George and Hayward out of it, and not giving up an open-look to a tenured player who's played in big-games and nearly leads the league in 3PP.

If you're going to fault the Clippers, you have to look away from this play. Look at their careless turnovers in the first, the technical earlier in the 4th, the inability to get CP3 going earlier in the game, and their inability to use Blake in any play outside of a post-up in the 4th quarter.
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What shot did they miss?
 
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