Game Thread? Jazz @ Warriors. 2nd Round. 1st Game. (8:30 MT 5/2/17)

jjscap said:

Actually this game our defensive plan kind of worked. We played real close to 3P shooters and dared them to drive inside to face Gobert. In the end they struggled shooting the three. They made 7 threes and if I'm not wrong 4 of them come from transition/fastbreak.

Our problem was offense this game. If not for the poor offense we would not have allowed 100 points. Bad execution, forced shots, turnovers.. Actually any missed shot was a problem leading to a quick GSW play. Sometimes we executed well and found the wide open shot but Hill and Hayward bricked them.

We could not get anything going except some stretch in Q3 when we got easy buckets inside. This worked for us in G7 vs LAC, may work here too because our shooters are kind of cold.

Overall this was a good opportunity to steal a game as GSW did not look like their best but we did not make open shots and we turned the ball over often, made tons of unforced errors. We were really slow getting back to defense too and the transition points were the difference in this game.

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Jazz had 13 turnovers - felt like they had 25. GSW seems to capitalize on every mistake you make..

Shad said:

Everyone complaining about mack really just needs to shut up. We all know we're going to lose 4-0 or 4-1. It isn't Mack's fault.

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No, it isn't Mack's fault, but against the Warriors he is not a good option because to beat them we have play lockdown defense, which is something he is not capable of. We also need to control the pace of the game, which means controlling the boards and limiting turnovers. They killed us in transition because of our turnovers and bad shot selection. But I think Quinn doesn't trust Exum or Neto out there in such pressure-filled games. The trouble with Lyles over Diaw is that Lyles can't rebound and will be prone to making bad decisions (taking ill-advised shots) and turnovers. I think we also need to attack the rim like Rodney did, so that goes for Hayward, Hill, and JJ. We also need to feed Rudy because he has a mismatch inside.

candrew said:

Jazz had 13 turnovers - felt like they had 25. GSW seems to capitalize on every mistake you make..

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But also some ill-advised shots that led to quick transition baskets, as well as not getting back on defense a few times. That's their strength, transition.

It is nice to not see an abundance of panic and doom and gloom on here after a loss.

We were -6 in turnovers. You just can't do that against the Dubs. Fixing this, with some adjustments (Quin is a smart guy) and a little bit better hunger, shooting, and defense may net us a win in the series. Maybe two if the stars align.

His +/- was -6 in just 11 minutes but I want to see more Exum. Like 16-20 minutes of him. Enough with Mack. He did some decent things and I get why Quin plays him but we're not winning this series, the difference in them is nominal, Exum has shown enough to get burn, and he's an actual piece for us moving forward (unless we're giving up on the 5th overall pick) while Mack is really just an afterthought. If there's ever a place to test Exum out and measure him, this is it. If he fails, he fails. But it can be an invaluable learning experience and great motivation for him going into the off-season to work his *** off and come in in the summer and fall noticeably improved.

mellow said:

I've said it before, the league has a Problem because what happens in July is more important than what happens in may and June. the season is irrelevant, the first two rounds of the playoffs are at risk of becoming irrelevant too.

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Super teams are great for the NBA. It gets casual fans interested and it creates a "bad guy". Either they lose and it's the glorious upset, or they win and get to the finals for a huge clash of super teams between Cleveland. It's a win/win for the NBA. Would I prefer true parity in the NBA? Sure, but that is never going to happen if max contracts are a thing.

I just hate the argument it makes everything else irrelevant. Did you not enjoy this season? Have you not enjoyed the playoffs? Did you not enjoy the careers of Stockton and Malone just because they never won a ring?

DownUnder said:

i think i disagree with the definition of superteam. I'd more think of that as 3 franchise players or very close to it in their primes, or two current mvp types and some all nba types.

going thru your list .. malone dwindling, payton irrelevant
kareem was well past his prime and worthy was a terrific player but not necessarily a franchise player but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
baylor etc yes absolutely
parrish i wouldn't class as a franchise type player, and ainge ?? nah
celtics with garnett etc yep
rockets, drexler was on his last legs by then Nope
bulls yeah even tho rodman was not a franchise player
pistons ? lol mahorn, lambeer could hardly be called a great player and dumars not a franchise type not even close to a super team.

so probably 2-3 of those teams i'd class as super teams in the same class as the warriors/cavs/heat kinds of teams everyone's fretting about.

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Laimbeer is underrated. He was definitely a great player.



"Laimbeer was one of the top outside-shooting centers of his era, draining over 200 three pointers for his career, and excelled at running the pick and pop with guards Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars. Then-head coach Chuck Daly utilized Laimbeer's inside-outside skills to great effect. On the defensive end, Laimbeer was one of the best rebounders in the game. On the offensive end, Daly would often have Laimbeer fade to the perimeter rather than roll to the basket, which had the additional effect of keeping the opposing team's best rebounder far from the backboard. Laimbeer was selected to the NBA All-Star Game on four occasions (1983, 1984, 1985 and 1987) and finished among the league leaders in rebounding and free throw percentage several times, winning the rebound title in the 1985-86 season. Laimbeer started on the Pistons' 1989 and 1990 NBA championship teams.

Bill Laimbeer and his Detroit teammates are the only players to have a playoff winning record against NBA legends Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan.

Altogether, Laimbeer spent 14 seasons in the NBA, 12 of them with Detroit. Laimbeer became the 19th player in league history to amass more than 10,000 points and 10,000 rebounds. Laimbeer was most effective off the defensive glass: from 1982 to 1990 no player in the league totaled more defensive rebounds. He was also remarkably durable, never playing fewer than 79 games in his 14 seasons, and playing all 82 games on seven occasions. His streak of 685 consecutive games played (which ended due to suspension in the 1988-89 season) is the fifth longest in league history. Laimbeer retired early in the 1993-94 season at age 36, and his jersey number (40) was retired by the Pistons in February, 1995. He remains the franchise's all-time leader in career rebounds."

What the NBA should do instead of the bogus All-NBA rule they created to give players drafted by the original team more money: They should have done it if you make the All-NBA team twice in 3 seasons (or something along those lines) then you are eligible to 10% more of the max (or something along those lines). That way you get some differentiation in contract potential between the top 15 or players in the NBA and the top 50. Also make All-NBA teams just the top 15 players that season with no regards to position.

We just got beat. Hayward had a his worst game of the playoffs. Beside Hood going 0-5 from 3pt land he had a decent game with an assist!!!

rare144 said:

We just got beat. Hayward had a his worst game of the playoffs. Beside Hood going 0-5 from 3pt land he had a decent game with an assist!!!

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If you're expecting Hayward to save the day, I'd advise not to hold your breath. This is on Rudy and as Shaq says "the others"..

They're so ready for Hay, he's got no chance. He's out of his depth. Swimming with the sharks. The Warriors feel they have multiple options to neutralize him. Thats why Hayward was extra bright red when Iguodala knocked the ball out of his hands. His game is not un****withable, he's not Michal Jordan, he can be disrupted, tactically, and with players like Andre and KD they're equipped to do it easier than most.

Even ****ing Mo Speights was swiping at Haywards dribble, they're going to continue to attack his dribble and it's going to continue to work. This is how you slow hayward down and it shouldn't really be breaking news to anyone, unless you've deluded yourself by watching him vs non-contender teams..

fgcamel said:

Pretty condescending for someone who can't see how this super team is different to the ones you mentioned, which obviously prompted the initial post.

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jope said:

gotta keep reminding myself we are playing one of the most talented rosters in NBA history on over a week's worth of rest.

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...earlier in this very thread i said that GSW probably has the most talented roster of all time. WTF are you talking about? The entire premise of my post was about counting the instances where a team full of hall of famers (i.e. a super team) dominated everyone else.... which has happened so so many times. get some context man.

On the ******** meter, LeBron's Heatles are about a 3.5 compared to the 10 of KD's Warriors. I'm trying to imagine what kind of competitor would desire a situation where there wasn't much expectation for an increase of blood pressure until the WCF and/or Finals. So, 82 games with very little meaning + two rounds of the playoffs where you get to watch 1 - 3 other all-stars build leads while you rest.

I'm sort of sickly glad to get a first-hand, fan-level feel for how ****ing stupid the Warriors are. I've never actually wished for an injury, but I hope competitive balance has some kind of cosmic karma built into its matrix. And I hope KD himself is its primary victim (but I'd take any of their core). And **** it if none of you like this sentiment.

DownUnder said:

i think i disagree with the definition of superteam. I'd more think of that as 3 franchise players or very close to it in their primes, or two current mvp types and some all nba types.

going thru your list .. malone dwindling, payton irrelevant
kareem was well past his prime and worthy was a terrific player but not necessarily a franchise player but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
baylor etc yes absolutely
parrish i wouldn't class as a franchise type player, and ainge ?? nah
celtics with garnett etc yep
rockets, drexler was on his last legs by then Nope
bulls yeah even tho rodman was not a franchise player
pistons ? lol mahorn, lambeer could hardly be called a great player and dumars not a franchise type not even close to a super team.

so probably 2-3 of those teams i'd class as super teams in the same class as the warriors/cavs/heat kinds of teams everyone's fretting about.

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lol so you wont call parrish, the 9 time all star who finished 4th in MVP voting in 82, who was on that "50 greatest" players list, who helped lead his team to 4 championships, isnt a franchise player... lmao.

mahorn was a third or 4th wheel on that team, and i admitted he wasnt a HOFer, but he was one of the top defensive players in the league for several years and a terrific compliment to the multiple other HOFers on that team.

Your argument is that those teams with 3+ HOFers aren't super teams, yet the cavs with 1 HOF and 2 middling all-stars IS a super team? How am i supposed to take anything you say from this point on seriously?

We know what we're up against now. I have no doubt they'll show better on Thursday. Perhaps not win, but no more lazy mistakes like this game.

BabyPeterzz said:

We know what we're up against now. I have no doubt they'll show better on Thursday. Perhaps not win, but no more lazy mistakes like this game.

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We looked tired out there. Been playing every other for a while, and this was basically a difficult road trip, going right from Clips to Warriors. It showed.

ONE LOVE said:

I don't care what others say about you (or what you say to yourself), don't kid yourself, you're one of the best fan the Jazz has.


Keep up the good work.

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Well not to burst your bubble, but I'm as good as gone, I don't care to have I told u so convo's. Leaving yas in blissful ignorance, haplessly clutching onto narrative bias, is much more appealing to me. these are my final posts. I'm waiting to drop the lucky GT girl in game 2 and if they win, I'll post her again in the elimination game, (and then hopefully again in game 7) then thats it.. It's time for a new team. These years watching the Jazz have served me great purpose, I'm ready to watch another re-build tho, I like watching a rose grow from concrete, not this penny-pinching veteran-laden win now exercise in futility..

I wish ya's all the luck, you're certainly gonna need it, the window should be open for some time, I say It could've been open longer tho, instead concessions were made to appease Hayward, who's not built to shoulder the job and cap $$$ he's going to receive. I swear that things are worth what people will pay for them, but as a GM u've gotta pay for true underlying value, and thats where this team will hamstring itself.. (unless Hayward and Hill walk and they go young, but even then im gone, the only exception is if those 2 walk and they trade up for De'Aaron Fox, which doesn't make any sense and wont happen.)

mellow said:

Dang looking at the stat line it looks better than I thought for the jazz. Hayward clanked too many open looks, and hood missed all four of his Threes, but the rest seems okay.

What's really good or very scary was the warriors only hit 7 of 29 Threes. If they hit on 40% ....hold on.

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I saw that. I thought it was scary. Although it helps explain why what felt like a blood bath turned out to only be a 12 point loss.

Wes Mantooth said:

We were -6 in turnovers. You just can't do that against the Dubs. Fixing this, with some adjustments (Quin is a smart guy) and a little bit better hunger, shooting, and defense may net us a win in the series. Maybe two if the stars align.

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Good post and I agree.

PG_AB said:

Well not to burst your bubble, but I'm as good as gone,

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Come on, man. Admittedly I never really read this part of the forum. I mostly trolled around the GD area. When I read your stuff there you seemed like a regular poster. But, man, here in this area, you're beyond annoying. You're one of those "iamverysmart" type dudes and you love to hear yourself talk. You and I both know that your "threat" of leaving is an empty one.

You ain't going no where, son.

KD is the biggest sell out in NBA history. Its like Karl Malone going to the Sonics after losing to them in game 7 of the 1996 WCF.