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Catchall said:
There's another possibility here, which is that Gordon has made up his mind, has given someone a commitment, and has given the team his blessing on a proposed trade. That trade is now being carried out in the next 24 hours before Hayward announces his decision publicly. If Utah is that team, the Jazz may be asking Hayward to keep quiet for another day or so while they pull the trigger on the deal. Completing that deal might also hold sway with Hayward.

The fact that no one is saying anything, that there's a complete blackout from Jazz people who were in the meeting, makes me think this is a possibility. Hayward might have agreed, "If you trade for Player X, I'll sign."
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I think the Jazz are just being professional by allowing Gordon to be the one to announce it. DL probably had a talk with everyone at the meeting to keep quiet. It would be pretty interesting if you are right though.
 
Up until a week or two ago I was sure he was gone. Then I let hope enter in, and Remember, Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies. But maybe in this case hope wasn't such a good thing.

Because tonight I'm feeling nervous, I think because I thought milsap or Galinary would be excellent plan B or even somehow a miraculous part of plan A.

If the worst happens tomorrow let us all remember the immortal words of the great Charles De Mar: "Suicide is never the answer, little trooper."
 
tonstermits said:
I think the Jazz are just being professional by allowing Gordon to be the one to announce it. DL probably had a talk with everyone at the meeting to keep quiet. It would be pretty interesting if you are right though.
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Also find it interesting there is no crowing out of Boston or Miami. You know if there had been the slightest whiff, it would be all over the twitter world.

So, could go either way. Hayward allowing DL to work a trade to strengthen the team (PF?) or to go to Plan B because he's told DL he's going elsewhere.

And no tweet from Rudy. I applaud his restraint.
 
My other 5 cent thought was that if Hayward's mind was made up about Boston, he would have flown to Utah. No way you make your employer come all the way to your house if you're just going to leave. That doesn't mean he's going to stay, but going to Utah is the more respectful way to walk out the door if he really knew.
 
mellow said:
If the worst happens tomorrow let us all remember the immortal words of the great Charles De Mar: "Suicide is never the answer, little trooper."
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I live on the 2nd floor and the windows at work are sealed. I'm safe. But thanks for your concern.
 
billyshelby said:
1. There was no way Hayward was going to make his decision today. That would have made the whole trip look like a dog and pony show if he just signed with us once he got back. It's too disrespectful to all parties.

2. Of course he's torn. This is not a normal free agency. With Boston, it would be a storybook reunion with his coaching father figure, playing for one of the most storied franchises in the game, with much more likely trips to the Finals near term, and the type of national recognition he deserves that will be ladled out in TV exposure and annual All Star appearances. With Utah, he would be walking away from an organization that is walking the Spurs path, where he defines the culture of the franchise, with the best center in the game, lots of great young pieces, and of course guys he genuinely loves. No matter who he picks, he's hurting people he loves, not just simply choosing what's in his best interest. (I don't believe for a second he's thinking Miami, but that's a meeting you HAVE to take.)

My gut says Utah. I'm like 60/40. But I wouldn't be surprised if he does something unorthodox and signs a 2 year deal with a player option instead of the expected 3 and 1. It leaves money on the table if he gets hurt (and kind of messes with the 10 year), but it gives him flexibility if something catastrophic happens on the Jazz.
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Holy **** billshelby.

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billyshelby said:
My other 5 cent thought was that if Hayward's mind was made up about Boston, he would have flown to Utah. No way you make your employer come all the way to your house if you're just going to leave. That doesn't mean he's going to stay, but going to Utah is the more respectful way to walk out the door if he really knew.
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I'm thinking the opposite. It was a long trip. He and the wife are tired and want to get to their off-season home in San Diego. Meeting in Utah brings emotions back into play: the arena, the fans, the StayWard billboards. There's none of that in San Diego.
I just think it was the right thing to do for Hayward and the Jazz contingent to meet at his home. Because fatigue can induce negativity. I do think 3 1/2 hours seemed pretty long. Jazz didn't have to pitch the city to him or his wife.
 
Jack Strop said:
Also find it interesting there is no crowing out of Boston or Miami. You know if there had been the slightest whiff, it would be all over the twitter world.

So, could go either way. Hayward allowing DL to work a trade to strengthen the team (PF?) or to go to Plan B because he's told DL he's going elsewhere.

And no tweet from Rudy. I applaud his restraint.
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I think if Gordon told them he's leaving we'd hear about the Jazz getting into the Gallinari sweepstakes since that clock is ticking.
 
I feel 75% confident he stays but there is 25% of me that worries about the being "torn" reports. Torn feels like an emotion reserved for thinking about leaving and disappointing everyone in Utah.


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billyshelby said:
1. There was no way Hayward was going to make his decision today. That would have made the whole trip look like a dog and pony show if he just signed with us once he got back. It's too disrespectful to all parties.

2. Of course he's torn. This is not a normal free agency. With Boston, it would be a storybook reunion with his coaching father figure, playing for one of the most storied franchises in the game, with much more likely trips to the Finals near term, and the type of national recognition he deserves that will be ladled out in TV exposure and annual All Star appearances. With Utah, he would be walking away from an organization that is walking the Spurs path, where he defines the culture of the franchise, with the best center in the game, lots of great young pieces, and of course guys he genuinely loves. No matter who he picks, he's hurting people he loves, not just simply choosing what's in his best interest. (I don't believe for a second he's thinking Miami, but that's a meeting you HAVE to take.)

My gut says Utah. I'm like 60/40. But I wouldn't be surprised if he does something unorthodox and signs a 2 year deal with a player option instead of the expected 3 and 1. It leaves money on the table if he gets hurt (and kind of messes with the 10 year), but it gives him flexibility if something catastrophic happens on the Jazz.
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Great points. Just the same, he's not doing Utah nor Boston any favors by dragging this out. Whichever team loses out looks like they just missed on their opportunity for a plan B in Gallinari.

Dude just needs to rip the ****ing band aid off and get it over with.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Great points. Just the same, he's not doing Utah nor Boston any favors by dragging this out. Whichever team loses out looks like they just missed on their opportunity for a plan B in Gallinari.

Dude just needs to rip the ****ing band aid off and get it over with.
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Is Galinari choosing Utah or Boston over LA? I think if Galinari signs with them, its because he wants to be there.

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For my money, the Lindsey pitch is this: Boston has the draft picks/trade assets, Miami has a nice piece in Whiteside and they're gearing up for cap space, but neither of those teams has stability. Boston has a star PG who isn't going to age well and has to be resigned in a year, an aging Horford, and a bunch of free agents next year that have to be paid or traded. Maybe Ainge will spin it all into gold, or maybe not. But like Miami, there's no telling just who he'll be playing with in a year, or two.

In Utah, he already has two parts of a legitimate big 3, and both of them will be signed for 3 years. Then he has relative security in knowing for the next two years he's got guys like Rubio and Ingles, plus a stable roster he knows will play his brand of ball. That's a great foundation to parlay our younger assets and/or cap flexibility into that third star, especially if the Jazz win as they should. That's the Spurs blueprint and it's all happening.
 
I don't disagree, billy. But,

1. Lebron still talks about the disrespect he got from Cleveland the first time he was there. Gordon probably still feels he wasn't treated right when the Jazz sent him on the road to test his value when he was a restricted FA.

2. There was also a time Quin said the Jazz didn't have a "closer." Then had to retreat off that phrase when Hayward called him on it. I don't think the relationship between the two has been completely rosy. And that might be evident in the complimentary way Hayward has talked about Spoelstra and Stevens.

3. Gordon has also talked about the losing. Though denied, there was a rumor he may even asked for a trade before last season. Was that what finally spurred Lindsey to bring in JJ and trade for Hill and Diaw. Was Dennis hoping for another lottery pick and THEN expecting to sign Gordon to a max deal?

I think there are plenty of legit reasons why Hayward may want to leave. Lindsey even opened up about the "scars" in an interview. Can't find it or I'd link it here.
 
To be honest, I don't see how playing with a 32 year-old Horford who doesn't rebound and a 29 year-old, 5'8" shoot-first PG with an injured hip is attractive. The main appeal has to be getting out of the west and being on tv more.
 
Catchall said:
To be honest, I don't see how playing with a 32 year-old Horford who doesn't rebound and a 29 year-old, 5'8" shoot-first PG with an injured hip is attractive. The main appeal has to be getting out of the west and being on tv more.
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I guess it's the best option back east but are they for sure better than the wiz and raps? What if IT doesn't come back 100?

This team barely beat th bulls and wiz... we beat the clips on one leg and we've gotten better.

I will be devastated if he leaves.
 
Jack Strop said:
I don't disagree, billy. But,

1. Lebron still talks about the disrespect he got from Cleveland the first time he was there. Gordon probably still feels he wasn't treated right when the Jazz sent him on the road to test his value when he was a restricted FA.

2. There was also a time Quin said the Jazz didn't have a "closer." Then had to retreat off that phrase when Hayward called him on it. I don't think the relationship between the two has been completely rosy. And that might be evident in the complimentary way Hayward has talked about Spoelstra and Stevens.

3. Gordon has also talked about the losing. Though denied, there was a rumor he may even asked for a trade before last season. Was that what finally spurred Lindsey to bring in JJ and trade for Hill and Diaw. Was Dennis hoping for another lottery pick and THEN expecting to sign Gordon to a max deal?

I think there are plenty of legit reasons why Hayward may want to leave. Lindsey even opened up about the "scars" in an interview. Can't find it or I'd link it here.
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Fair points, but my personal opinion is when you make a decision of this magnitude, you put perceived slights in the past. The good far outweighs the bad and I think Hayward is mature enough to understand how to separate the business from the personal.
 
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