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John McCain is Dead

McCain had a reputation as a moderate - his voting record says otherwise. I think the best thing you can say about him is he didn't look to appeal to the lowest common denominator - no demands for Obama's birth certificate or chants of "lock her up". The guy had a shred of decency in the public forum.

And it's kind of sad that our standards have been systematically lowered to the point where we're celebrating a politician for this; but it is what it is.
 
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I've read some interesting things about McCain I didn't know since he's passed. Apparently, his military career made a lot of vets upset because of nepotism and incompetence. I read the dude crashed three plans due to failing to listen to orders.

It's crazy how what's written about people after they die can be so brutal.
 
The Thriller said:
This is just nuts to me. Why?

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Because when it comes to foreign affairs it really doesn't make a difference, there's no room for a non-interventionist policy, regardless of what party you belong to. Otherwise you'll be ostracized (see Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich) and never given a fair chance to reach out to the people.

A Paul-Kucinich ticket, now that would have made Netanyahu pull the rest of his hair out.
 
Jazzta said:
Because when it comes to foreign affairs it really doesn't make a difference, there's no room for a non-interventionist policy, regardless of what party you belong to. Otherwise you'll be ostracized (see Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich) and never given a fair chance to reach out to the people.

A Paul-Kucinich ticket, now that would have made Netanyahu pull the rest of his hair out.
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That's because it's a ridiculous policy stance. Non-starter.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
That's because it's a ridiculous policy stance. Non-starter.
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I used to be pretty pro isolationist, but I just don't think it makes any sense given the US role in global stability since WW2. Sure, I'd prefer not to engage in any more ill advised land wars in Asia (and vote accordingly) but the idea that the US is going to step away from hegemony just isn't realistic.
 
I think part of the grief surrounding McCain’s death is who’s replacing him. Republicans around the nation are becoming increasingly bigoted, hateful, and extreme.

I always respected his service. Disagreed with the majority of his politics. However, I’m scared about who’s going to replace him. The republicans who are replacing Flake and McCain are going to be trashy trumpers who’ll sell out the country, civil rights, decency, to trump and Russia for a nickel.
 
Zombie said:
I used to be pretty pro isolationist, but I just don't think it makes any sense given the US role in global stability since WW2. Sure, I'd prefer not to engage in any more ill advised land wars in Asia (and vote accordingly) but the idea that the US is going to step away from hegemony just isn't realistic.
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Isolationism is a juvenile ideal. Most of us grew up thinking war is bad and stupid, and probably had isolationist tendencies at minimum.

US's role pre-dates WWII. We weren't isolationists post-WWI, like they teach in schools. https://academic.oup.com/fpa/article-abstract/6/4/349/1799506?redirectedFrom=fulltext
 
Zombie said:
I used to be pretty pro isolationist, but I just don't think it makes any sense given the US role in global stability since WW2. Sure, I'd prefer not to engage in any more ill advised land wars in Asia (and vote accordingly) but the idea that the US is going to step away from hegemony just isn't realistic.
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I honestly don’t get this way of thinking that things can’t be different. Just because the US has been deeply involved in international affairs for decades doesn’t mean that it’s the best way of maintaining hegemony. Interventionism grows a natural resentment against the “invaders”, something that can very well turn around to bite us in the *** one day.

Meanwhile at home:

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I remember during one of my trips from Spain to the US I made a stop in Atlanta, not too long after 9/11. There were around 100 guys in their 20’s in their army uniform, waiting to board their plane. I asked one of them where they were flying to. “To the war in Afghanistan sir”, he proudly stated. I still wonder which ones never made it back from that inferno, or did but brought some form of PTSD with them. The scene still haunts me to this day.
 
The Thriller said:
I think part of the grief surrounding McCain’s death is who’s replacing him. Republicans around the nation are becoming increasingly bigoted, hateful, and extreme.

I always respected his service. Disagreed with the majority of his politics. However, I’m scared about who’s going to replace him. The republicans who are replacing Flake and McCain are going to be trashy trumpers who’ll sell out the country, civil rights, decency, to trump and Russia for a nickel.
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he is calling republicans bigoted hatefull and extreme.

i called democrats RACIST and got banend for 6 months.

just a friendly reminder the repubs freed slaves. the dems instituted jim crowe laws balck code laws etc etc.

i suspect to see him get an infraction.
 
Archie Moses said:
I've read some interesting things about McCain I didn't know since he's passed. Apparently, his military career made a lot of vets upset because of nepotism and incompetence. I read the dude crashed three plans due to failing to listen to orders.

It's crazy how what's written about people after they die can be so brutal.
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Speaker for the Dead?
 
Jazz Spazz said:
Speaker for the Dead?
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Not sure what you mean.

I read a quote yesterday I really liked. Don't know why I'm sharing it in a response to your post, but oh well.

"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."
-Mark Twain
 
Archie Moses said:
Not sure what you mean.

I read a quote yesterday I really liked. Don't know why I'm sharing it in a response to your post, but oh well.

"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."
-Mark Twain
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It is an Orson Scott Card book centered generally around that theme, the idea that when someone dies you speak for their life, the good, the bad, the ugly, but in the most honest and unbiased terms you can.
 
DutchJazzer said:
he is calling republicans bigoted hatefull and extreme.

i called democrats RACIST and got banend for 6 months.

just a friendly reminder the repubs freed slaves. the dems instituted jim crowe laws balck code laws etc etc.

i suspect to see him get an infraction.
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I pause to block your posts from my feed, because you can be entertaining sometimes. But the misinformation that you usually post is so dreadful that it’s difficult to even want to chance the numbing of my own mind.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
I pause to block your posts from my feed, because you can be entertaining sometimes. But the misinformation that you usually post is so dreadful that it’s difficult to even want to chance the numbing of my own mind.
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I had to click on the "view ignored content" button to see who you were talking about. I figured it would either be dutch or babe lol.
 
fishonjazz said:
I had to click on the "view ignored content" button to see who you were talking about. I figured it would either be dutch or babe lol.
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i bet you if the mods release the ignore list. you will notice left wing people have the bigger ignore list. yes people the left is all about censorship
 
10 years ago he was supposedly a racist, fear mongering, far right extremist....and called that by many of you playing the pc game of saying RIP, and what a great guy he was now..give me a break.
I personally think we has always been a moron, waffling, vote panderer who betrayed his country. But hey, facts don't matter.
What some of you call civility is also called having no real stance. No backbone. No position.
But, with all that said...naw...that's it.
 
Scorpjazz said:
10 years ago he was supposedly a racist, fear mongering, far right extremist....and called that by many of you playing the pc game of saying RIP, and what a great guy he was now..give me a break.
I personally think we has always been a moron, waffling, vote panderer who betrayed his country. But hey, facts don't matter.
What some of you call civility is also called having no real stance. No backbone. No position.
But, with all that said...naw...that's it.
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We have no civility. We **** on Dump every chance we get.
 
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