Hotdog
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You were saying?
Im curious as to what your definition of being owned is? Numbers, the majority?
**** logic right? **** thinking right? Just join the mob. Its a lot easier that way. You arent in any danger. Right?
This made me kinda sad today...
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Im curious as to what your definition of being owned is? Numbers, the majority?
**** logic right? **** thinking right? Just join the mob. Its a lot easier that way. You arent in any danger. Right?
You might want to read that post again...
Hotdog
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God damn. Did he edit that post at some point?
Lol wtf.
Sorry Wes I guess. I think I skimmed over it too fast maybe.
I know he didn't mean it though.
Hotdog
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Well, its not a non story. The real story is how the media reports this stuff. They pushed the story that this guy was harrased and taunted. They paraded him around on TV telling his lies. The deliberately didnt show the truth.
This thread just proves exactly what I have been saying bout CNN and these fake news outlets. Not posting the entire story and pushing a narrative is fake news. Thats where you really need to admit that you are wrong. They cant be trusted. They are at the root of the problems in this country. This story proves that.
RandyForRubio
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Would recommend people read this thread. It's from the older brother of the smiling kid.
It's sad how people react to things like that. Even if those kids did everything they were said to do (and video proof shows they obviously didn't), how people responded to this family is wrong.
We, all of us, need to be better.
gandalfe
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You say that this story proves the "fake news outlets" are at the root of the problems in this country. This story does not, in fact, establish a causal link. You're going to have to try harder.
Alfalfa
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The media picks up what people find interesting. The video went viral on the internet, and "the media" of course picked it up and started talking about it. That doesn't mean racism is not a motivator for a lot of Trump supporters. It also doesn't mean the media is a conspiracy to take out Trump because they're marxist leftists or whatever it is you believe.
RandyForRubio
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I think parts of the media continuing to run with the original story, 12 plus hours after contradictory video had been released, is a problem. I think it's more than fair to say that. I would say it's a large problem. We should expect better from our media, don't you think?
Hotdog
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It proves that there is a media bias and this can be equated to fake news. Whether or not its a problem depends on if you are asking you or me.
Hotdog
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How about this? Investigate the story before you run with it. Also, how does it going viral justify not reporting accurately? I highly doubt they didnt know the whole story. They reported it a certain way on purpose. I believe that because it keeps happening over and over. This isnt an isolated occurrence. Thats what happens when there are patterns. People start to connect the dots. Except for people who dont care about truth.
Hotdog
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Is it racist Trump supporters fault that the media cant report accurate information?
The Thriller
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What’s an all boys school doing at a Pro Life rally?
Russia.
Hotdog
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Dont be ashamed. Its ok be decent and have integrity.
You know what makes me sick about this. This kid is only 16. There is a ton of people sending death threats and doxing this kid, his family, his friends, the school and anyone standing close to him.
Yet the media who perpetrated this lie leave it out there. They could care less what happens to him.
How can anyone have respect for people who do this? Its now ok to dox kids? He didnt even do anything either. Literally just stood there. In fact you could argue he was bullie3s by this old lying piece of **** Nathan Phillips. This man went on the news and told blatant lies about him. Nobody but independent media dares to tell the truth.
This is un ****ing real what is going on in this country.
Can you see now how fake news is dangerous and a problem? It works both ways. You cant sit there and condemn Alex Jones then condone this.
The Black Hebrews being complete asses shouldn't shock anyone (though they most assuredly are not Muslims), thankfully there's still only a few of them in the world.
The other two main groups appeared to be fairly minor dicks to each other, with the teenagers unsurprisingly toeing the line a bit more. Overall I'm not too upset with either group.
The other two main groups appeared to be fairly minor dicks to each other, with the teenagers unsurprisingly toeing the line a bit more. Overall I'm not too upset with either group.
Hotdog
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You ok with the Indian man going on tv lying and causing a 16 year old kid to get doxed and receive death threats?
Did this kid get unfairly demonized? It certainly seems so. Was that due to Phillips referencing him in particular? (I honestly haven't seen any quotes he's given about the kid other than that he was in front of him and didn't move) Or was it due to him being the unfortunate face of an all-around **** show?
Red
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First, I feel I made a mistake in both judgement and interpretation where this event was concerned. Here is CNN's updated account of what happened. It sounds like an accurate account, now that I've seen a lot more then just the under 4 minute clip that started the whole wave of outrage:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/maga-hat-teens-native-american-second-video/index.html
Second, I've either listened to or read about 5 interviews of Nathan Phillips. In the interview in the immediate aftermath, I found his raw emotion to be sincere. I don't think he was lying at all. He claimed to be scared. Was his fear justified based on the reactions of the students to his presence? I'm not in his skin, but I thought he gave his honest impression. As he walked forward, the kids parted a bit, until Phillips encountered Nick Sandmann, who simply stood his ground smiling.
Here is the complete statement by Nick Sandmann. It's worth a read. I find it impressive. I find it credible, believable, sincere. And that causes some self reflection on my part. Sandman states his smile was really just to disarm Phillips, to show him he had no intention of escalating a potential ugly encounter. Yet in the short clip that launched the outrage, I saw that smile as smug arrogance. So maybe it's me, seeing what I want to see. What I saw as smug arrogance could instead be seen as a calm, disarming smile:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/covington-kentucky-student-statement/index.html
So what did I see? A bunch of MAGA hatters harassing a Native American elder. Looking at the kids again, in that short clip, some might have actually been getting into the chanting. Some might have been caught up by the chanting. Not so hard. I've been to many powwows, I enjoy the chanting and dancing. Some of the kids may have been laughing at and mocking Nathan Phillips. That could very well be, and likely was, the case. But they're kids, and I've already made mistakes. No harm was done. I believe Phillips emotions were genuine, but these kids were exposed to insults and taunts from the black Israelites. Maybe the kids should have walked away then and there. But they didn't, they responded to the black Israelites, who, btw, were verbally assaulting the indigenous group, as well as the students.
The lesson for me. I saw what I wanted to see. Or, maybe to cut myself more slack, I saw what fulfilled my expectations. I expected a group of MAGA hatters to harass minorities. So that's what I saw.
I don't know to what degree the media is at fault here. They went with that short clip. But, they did take a deeper look, and revised their analysis. They acted to correct the record.
I think, in part, the incident exposed what hyper partisanship can do. I don't want to make more mistakes in judgement and interpretation, as I feel I did here. I've got to be more careful. I will never renounce my opposition to everything Trump stands for, but I've got to let what happened here be a lesson for me.
Edit: some might find this Washington Post article illuminating:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...78f092-1ceb-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/maga-hat-teens-native-american-second-video/index.html
Second, I've either listened to or read about 5 interviews of Nathan Phillips. In the interview in the immediate aftermath, I found his raw emotion to be sincere. I don't think he was lying at all. He claimed to be scared. Was his fear justified based on the reactions of the students to his presence? I'm not in his skin, but I thought he gave his honest impression. As he walked forward, the kids parted a bit, until Phillips encountered Nick Sandmann, who simply stood his ground smiling.
Here is the complete statement by Nick Sandmann. It's worth a read. I find it impressive. I find it credible, believable, sincere. And that causes some self reflection on my part. Sandman states his smile was really just to disarm Phillips, to show him he had no intention of escalating a potential ugly encounter. Yet in the short clip that launched the outrage, I saw that smile as smug arrogance. So maybe it's me, seeing what I want to see. What I saw as smug arrogance could instead be seen as a calm, disarming smile:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/covington-kentucky-student-statement/index.html
So what did I see? A bunch of MAGA hatters harassing a Native American elder. Looking at the kids again, in that short clip, some might have actually been getting into the chanting. Some might have been caught up by the chanting. Not so hard. I've been to many powwows, I enjoy the chanting and dancing. Some of the kids may have been laughing at and mocking Nathan Phillips. That could very well be, and likely was, the case. But they're kids, and I've already made mistakes. No harm was done. I believe Phillips emotions were genuine, but these kids were exposed to insults and taunts from the black Israelites. Maybe the kids should have walked away then and there. But they didn't, they responded to the black Israelites, who, btw, were verbally assaulting the indigenous group, as well as the students.
The lesson for me. I saw what I wanted to see. Or, maybe to cut myself more slack, I saw what fulfilled my expectations. I expected a group of MAGA hatters to harass minorities. So that's what I saw.
I don't know to what degree the media is at fault here. They went with that short clip. But, they did take a deeper look, and revised their analysis. They acted to correct the record.
I think, in part, the incident exposed what hyper partisanship can do. I don't want to make more mistakes in judgement and interpretation, as I feel I did here. I've got to be more careful. I will never renounce my opposition to everything Trump stands for, but I've got to let what happened here be a lesson for me.
Edit: some might find this Washington Post article illuminating:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...78f092-1ceb-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html
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