2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

Handlogten's Heros · Jan 28, 2019

LoPo said:
I agree. I would only trade for Niko by himself by using Thabo and some assortment of smaller contracts (Neto, Niang, Bradley).

Thabo, Niang, Bradley and 2nd rounders works for Niko

If we had to move Favs in a Porter deal then I'm cool getting Niko.

kabenac · Jan 28, 2019

I can see Boston trading for AD. They can give up some talent and have loads of draft picks. AD is going to have even better stats in the Eastern Conference if he goes there.

LoPo · Jan 28, 2019

Bawse Dawg said:
I don't think NOLA goes in the tank, they lose the team to a different city if they are trash for a prolonged stretch. I think they'll try to get some real players, keep their dudes and hope for a 'Denver after Melo' situation.

The fact that they are out of the playoff picture and two of their key guys are expiring looms pretty large. If they were to trade AD for all those young LA guys, the start of next season would literally would look like the 2017-18 Lakers with Jrue minus Randle and Caldwell-Pope.

Handlogten's Heros · Jan 28, 2019

kabenac said:
I can see Boston trading for AD. They can give up some talent and have loads of draft picks. AD is going to have even better stats in the Eastern Conference if he goes there.

they can't do a deal until this summer.

NO could wait... but they should just fall down the standings.. short tank would give them an outside shot at Zion. Just bringing the guy back and winning 37-38 games would be a big shot long term.

I wonder what Ingram's value is... I don't love him for us, but it seems league wide that Kuzma has more value... Also if Hart could be had for a first (from us) I'd probably do that. Could be really good next to DM. Cheap young pieces are important.

Handlogten's Heros · Jan 28, 2019

LoPo said:
The fact that they are out of the playoff picture and two of their key guys are expiring looms pretty large. If they were to trade AD for all those young LA guys, the start of next season would literally would look like the 2017-18 Lakers with Jrue minus Randle and Caldwell-Pope.

NBA will send them a "wink wink" again that they get Zion in the Lotto if they trade AD to LA and tank.

idiot · Jan 28, 2019

Bawse Dawg said:
I think Toronto can offer a very nice package that doesn't cripple them.

They should go all in, Raps-Warriors finals would be AMAZING.

Yeah, I'm rooting for Toronto here as well.

LoPo · Jan 28, 2019

I'm rooting for the Knicks. If the Knicks could find a way to get AD and then this summer get KD, the West just got a lot easier.

If the Knicks offered their unprotected 2019 1st, Knox, Nkilitina, Hardaway Jr, Mitchell and a future unprotected 1st, NOLA might listen. Zion could be better than anybody the Pelicans can get via trade.

Thee Idiotic Minivan K · Jan 28, 2019

Handlogten's Heros said:
Philly/Toronto/Denver all have pretty compelling offers they could make on AD.

Question is will AD resign with them?

colton said:
Tough question. I think my answer is "not unless AD has indicated some desire to play for Utah long term". Because if AD doesn't want to play for the Jazz we're not talking about Rudy vs AD for just 2.5 seasons. We're talking about Rudy for 15 seasons vs AD for 2.5 seasons.

IMO Gobert is a top7 player in this league. He should be thought of as an mvp caliber player, but isn’t because he’s more of a defensive player, and the nba and sportswriters put less value on defense than offense and shooting.

Handlogten's Heros · Jan 28, 2019

Thee jazz fan said:
Question is will AD resign with them?

You get AD for two post seasons.. I don't know if it matters.. they aren't paying full price anyway so may as well try.

Handlogten's Heros · Jan 28, 2019

LoPo said:
I'm rooting for the Knicks. If the Knicks could find a way to get AD and then this summer get KD, the West just got a lot easier.

If the Knicks offered their unprotected 2019 1st, Knox, Nkilitina, Hardaway Jr, Mitchell and a future unprotected 1st, NOLA might listen. Zion could be better than anybody the Pelicans can get via trade.

I think they throw Zinger, Knox et al, but the 1st unprotected might be a no-go. Having AD already on the roster helps recruit Kyrie/Kembs/KD. If KD tells NY he's coming if they can get AD... AD/KD/Zion? or whatever they pick plus minimums might win the East.

kabenac · Jan 28, 2019

Handlogten's Heros said:
they can't do a deal until this summer.

NO could wait... but they should just fall down the standings.. short tank would give them an outside shot at Zion. Just bringing the guy back and winning 37-38 games would be a big shot long term.

I wonder what Ingram's value is... I don't love him for us, but it seems league wide that Kuzma has more value... Also if Hart could be had for a first (from us) I'd probably do that. Could be really good next to DM. Cheap young pieces are important.

I would despise it if the Lakers traded for him. I'm hoping a EC team gets him - not because we wouldn't have to face him as often but because I want to see A.D. absolutely own most EC centers to a degree the NBA hasn't seen for a while.

I'm hoping for an active deadline - I like seeing trades go down - especially when they make sense.

I wasn't familiar with Hart's defense and found a Reddit Lakers page. They are critical of his perimeter defense and man-to-man defense but a few posters claimed his post defense is solid:

I haven't watched him enough to know how Hart is on defense. I just remember he scored a lot toward the end of his rookie season.

LoPo · Jan 28, 2019

Handlogten's Heros said:
I think they throw Zinger, Knox et al, but the 1st unprotected might be a no-go. Having AD already on the roster helps recruit Kyrie/Kembs/KD. If KD tells NY he's coming if they can get AD... AD/KD/Zion? or whatever they pick plus minimums might win the East.

Yeah, I guess it's an either or. They can tell NOLA - you can have our 2019 pick or Porzingis but you can't have both. Either way, NY is building around either a top 3 pick or KP with AD.

Supposedly AD would sign that super max extension in NY...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...ve-in-anthony-davis-trade-talks/#77c6fdb1bc2d

Handlogten's Heros · Jan 28, 2019

kabenac said:
I would despise it if the Lakers traded for him. I'm hoping a EC team gets him - not because we wouldn't have to face him as often but because I want to see A.D. absolutely own most EC centers to a degree the NBA hasn't seen for a while.

I'm hoping for an active deadline - I like seeing trades go down - especially when they make sense.

I wasn't familiar with Hart's defense and found a Reddit Lakers page. They are critical of his perimeter defense and man-to-man defense but a few posters claimed his post defense is solid:

I haven't watched him enough to know how Hart is on defense. I just remember he scored a lot toward the end of his rookie season.

His shooting percentages have dipped hard too... Honestly... Royce does a lot of what he does... bad take by me. Someone else would give a late first for him doe... I'm fairly sure.

LoPo · Jan 28, 2019

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-lakers-knicks-preparing-make-offers-anthony-davis-201159011.html

"The Knicks have valuable trade chips in Kristaps Porzingis, rookie Kevin Knox and potentially the No. 1 overall pick in 2019.

If the Knicks are successful, it could boost their attempts to lure Kevin Durant over the summer, and they’d still be in position to snag Irving or Charlotte’s Kemba Walker."

Handlogten's Heros · Jan 28, 2019

LoPo said:
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-lakers-knicks-preparing-make-offers-anthony-davis-201159011.html

"The Knicks have valuable trade chips in Kristaps Porzingis, rookie Kevin Knox and potentially the No. 1 overall pick in 2019.

If the Knicks are successful, it could boost their attempts to lure Kevin Durant over the summer, and they’d still be in position to snag Irving or Charlotte’s Kemba Walker."

It sounds like he really doesn't want to go to Boston... also him and Kyrie are close... it sounds like Kyrie is out and that is part of the reason AD doesn't want to go there.

I would be so happy if Celtics fell apart... just let's get KD/AD/Kyrie in NY... not LA mkay.

LoPo · Jan 28, 2019

Handlogten's Heros said:
It sounds like he really doesn't want to go to Boston... also him and Kyrie are close... it sounds like Kyrie is out and that is part of the reason AD doesn't want to go there.

I would be so happy if Celtics fell apart... just let's get KD/AD/Kyrie in NY... not LA mkay.

EXACTLY. If AD wanted Boston, there is zero reason whatsoever for him to make this trade demand now. He knows Boston can't trade right now. This timing was intentional.

As for best case scenario for the NBA - a trade of AD to NY is exactly what this league needs. The West is getting freaking ridiculous. Considering Kawhi likely heads west this summer, we really don't need AD going west.

Kyrie, AD and Porzingis would be good, but I don't think they would be Golden State good.

GoJazz · Jan 28, 2019

With Anthony Davis going to the Lakers. Any way we can get in on a 3 way deal for someone decent. (I know Anthony isnt a sure thing but it is highly likely)

Handlogten's Heros · Jan 28, 2019

Holiday is a pipe dream... I think Philly would easily trump what we could offer. The philly pick and the future Miami pick plus expirings is pretty much better than our max offer. Could also add Zhaire Smith/Fultz/Bolden etc.

LoPo · Jan 28, 2019

Handlogten's Heros said:
Holiday is a pipe dream... I think Philly would easily trump what we could offer. The philly pick and the future Miami pick plus expirings is pretty much better than our max offer. Could also add Zhaire Smith/Fultz/Bolden etc.

All comes down to what NOLA thinks of Fultz. If they don't like him, Philly isn't sending a top asset for Jrue. Same with us and Exum.

The biggest thing going for Philly is that is where Jrue would love to be. Hopefully NOLA could take all of Philly's draft assets but damn, that Philly team would be nasty.

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kabenac · Jan 28, 2019

Handlogten's Heros said:
His shooting percentages have dipped hard too... Honestly... Royce does a lot of what he does... bad take by me. Someone else would give a late first for him doe... I'm fairly sure.

A team probably would. Hart can create his own shot which is a good attribute.

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