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JAZZGASM said:
Dante is a better passer, defender, driver, etc.
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Wut? Arroyo was better passer, much better handles and dribbling, much better mid range shooter, 3 pt shooter, FT shooter. Arroyo was not as good at finishing at the rim though. And the biggest difference, Arroyo was true PG who knew how to run the offense.
Just a reminder how Carlos and his Puerto Rico team crushed USA "dream team" ( James, Iverson, Wade, etc) in 2004. Really you guys need to re-evaluate your understanding about basketball.
 
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Lakers_Slapper said:
You really said that 2003-2004 was one of the most fun seasons to watch in Jazz history since Stockton and Malone? A season which we finished as a 9th seed, not making the playoffs for the first time since 1984 ending a 20 year streak of making the playoffs. And you have been in awe for the last 15 years over that season and a point guard who in the best season of his career gave us 12 pts per game and 5 ast? He also averaged 28 minutes per game to achieve those weak stats, and shot 32% from deep, making .5 shots out of 1.6 attempts per game from deep. He also averaged 2.2 turnovers per game. He had a 4.4-10 turnover to assist ratio and your stating (and I quote) "I watched that season, one of the most fun season to watch in Jazz history since Stockton and Malone retired." And your calling me the idiot?? Please, stay in your lane Mario Andretti. THAT YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME THE JAZZ HAD MISSED THE PLAYOFFS SINCE 1984!!! And I'm the idiot!!?? Pull your lip over your head and swallow.
And last but not least, I never started to compare them, you did that! I am simply stepping in with the baby powder and a back hand pimp slap that you have coming your direction, all because I see a trick stepping out of line. Pick your face up off the floor.
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That season is universally recognized as one of the most exciting, and easily one of the most appreciated by fans.
 
MVP said:
Wut? Arroyo was better passer, much better handles and dribbling, much better mid range shooter, 3 pt shooter, FT shooter. Arroyo was not as good at finishing at the rim though. And the biggest difference, Arroyo was true PG who knew how to run the offense.
Just a reminder how Carlos and his Puerto Rico team crushed USA "dream team" ( James, Iverson, Wade, etc) in 2004. Really you guys need to re-evaluate your understanding about basketball.
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Arroyo fans always point back to the USA game, lol. Per 36 their shooting percentages are fairly close. Their assists are close (Exum has a substantially lower usage rate, so his assist numbers are much higher when the ball is in his hand). And he is a much better defender and rebounder. And that was peak Arroyo vs an Exum that has never gotten momentum. The eye test shows a much better player with Exum, and I am honestly not surprised you don't see it. I need to quit clicking on the show ignored content link.
 
MVP said:
Wut? Arroyo was better passer, much better handles and dribbling, much better mid range shooter, 3 pt shooter, FT shooter. Arroyo was not as good at finishing at the rim though. And the biggest difference, Arroyo was true PG who knew how to run the offense.
Just a reminder how Carlos and his Puerto Rico team crushed USA "dream team" ( James, Iverson, Wade, etc) in 2004. Really you guys need to re-evaluate your understanding about basketball.
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The guy was the slowest NBA player I've seen. MVP really does need his head checked. He might find a marble rolling around
 
JAZZGASM said:
Their assists are close (Exum has a substantially lower usage rate, so his assist numbers are much higher when the ball is in his hand).
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That is not true. Arroyo has better AST% and more AST per 100 possessions. Substantially lower usage rate eh? 23.7% vs 21.4% is not substantial at all. Exum is not better rebounder either despite being much longer. Reb% and Reb per 100 possessions - Arroyo is better as well. I hate when people pull ridiculous false statements. Numbers tell the truth. And I am only looking at 2003-2004 season for Arroyo vs Exum's best season. If we would look into career averages it would be much uglier.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...+Exum&y2=2019&player_id2=exumda01&idx=players
 
JAZZGASM said:
Arroyo fans always point back to the USA game, lol. .
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How about you watch his highlights vs Wolves then. Just refresh your memory a bit. And then ask yourself if you ever seen Exum do anything close to it. ( Arroyo made more mid range jumpers in this game then Exum in his all career)

 
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What I really loved about Arroyo was watching him pound the hell out of the ball. More than a few times, one felt like shouting..."PASS THE DAMN BALL!"
 
MVP said:
How about you watch his highlights vs Wolves then. Just refresh your memory a bit. And then ask yourself if you ever seen Exum do anything close to it. ( Arroyo made more mid range jumpers in this game then Exum in his all career)

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Holy cow I miss Hot Rod.

And young Harpring off the curl was money.
 
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MVP said:
And if you look at that offense, even 15 years ago it looks so much more fun then what are we running now.
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I’m... not a huge fan of our 3 ball chucking.

It’s better than the old Oklahoma City offense where Russell and Kevin would take turns going 1 on 5.

But I’m a huge proponent of getting good 2s. Much higher percentage than constantly chucking 3s. On crowder’s 5th straight 3 point miss in 3 mins I want to tell Snyder that there’s a reason why teams are leaving our guys wide open around the perimeter.

But maybe I’m just too old school.
 
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The Thriller said:
I’m... not a huge fan of our 3 ball chucking.

It’s better than the old Oklahoma City offense where Russell and Kevin would take turns going 1 on 5.

But I’m a huge proponent of getting good 2s. Much higher percentage than constantly chucking 3s. On crowder’s 5th straight 3 point miss in 3 mins I want to tell Snyder that there’s a reason why teams are leaving our guys wide open around the perimeter.

But maybe I’m just too old school.
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You only need 34% from the 3 (which is average) to match 50% from mid-range(that's elite). We need to continue to take a ton of 3s and dunks/layups. A mid-range shot is better than no shot, but that's about it.
 
Alfalfa said:
You only need 34% from the 3 (which is average) to match 50% from mid-range(that's elite). We need to continue to take a ton of 3s and dunks/layups. A mid-range shot is better than no shot, but that's about it.
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I get the logic behind it.

We just don’t have the shooters to exploit it. As shown by our many many MANY unnecessary blowouts this year. It’s feast or famine with us. Imo, we’d be better off if we ran a more conventional offense.

We aren’t golden state.
 
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The Thriller said:
I get the logic behind it.

We just don’t have the shooters to exploit it. As shown by our many many MANY unnecessary blowouts this year. It’s feast or famine with us. Imo, we’d be better off if we ran a more conventional offense.

We aren’t golden state.
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But our shooters can still hit the 3 at a greater point-per-possession rate than they would if they took mostly 2s, as was the convention you speak of. We are shooting at 34.4% from the three, which isn't great, but it's pretty much an impossible rate to match from the mid-range (like 52%). Not to forget that focusing on the 3 and the inside, instead of mid-range 2s, creates more space that helps the offense in every way. There is a case for old school centers being able to dominate in the current system, since they were very efficient. But not for old-school systems that mostly generate 2 point jumpers.
 
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