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Catchall said:
Nothing would stir Trump supporters to come out in droves to re-elect their guy more than giving Joe Biden the ticket. Not only is he seen as a wishy washy establishment lackey, he was the Vice President under Obama. The last thing Dems want to do is harken back to the Obama administration that got Trump elected in the first place.
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I disagree.

Imo, Trump voters will show up no matter who’s the democratic nominee. You don’t think trump voters wouldn’t be motivated if Sanders (a socialist!), Harris (a black female), Warren (Hitlery 2.0), or that Washington Gov (his Christ is global heating) were the nominee?

The trick isn’t to avoid irritating trump voters. They’re going to be pissed off and vote no matter what. That’s what Fox News, am radio, and trump’s twitter does. They’re older and whiter, so they’ll always show up to vote. “They’re mad as hell and won’t take it anymore!”

Imo, The trick is reigniting the democratic base to vote in waves as they did in 2008 and 2012. Who gets democrats excited?
 
Red said:
Presidential candidates are marketed. Like any other product. And marketing means slinging the bull, mischaracterizing rivals, etc. We do indeed decide, at least many do, based on emotional responses, and the campaigns that market their candidates understand that. So they aim to make their brand, their product, likeable, and through negative ads, make all those other brands unlikable. Come campaign season, all politicians running for office, or vying for nominations, are products to be marketed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimber...-insight-from-a-marco-rubio-campaign-insider/
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This.

I would argue that anyone who believes that the majority of voters delve any deeper into the issues or candidates than sound bites or advertisements is highly naive.
 
This is why I just laugh at the idea that it required a "highly sophisticated" secret black op to sway the last election. All most people need to sway their vote imo is a reason for outrage and confirmation bias. That's all it takes. The people posting here with strong feelings one way or the other and are at least partially informed are in the minority. Imo most people vote on emotion and what makes them feel vindicated in their personal views, not any in-depth analysis of a candidate's platform and qualifications.
 
One Brow said:
The notion that "some ancestry in the past 10 generations" is the same as "1/1024".
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Is the true figure greater than or less then 1/1024? How much?
 
LogGrad98 said:
This.

I would argue that anyone who believes that the majority of voters delve any deeper into the issues or candidates than sound bites or advertisements is highly naive.
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And television had so much to do with this development. Nixon lost to Kennedy in 1960, in part because of his poor physical appearance during the first televised debates. In 1968, on the other hand, Nixon was marketed far more effectively...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/908766.The_Selling_of_the_President

"The 1968 presidential campaign crystallized the union between the politician and the adman. They have been inseparable ever since. Upon Nixon’s victory, (Roger)Aisles accurately pronounced that “this is the way that they’ll be elected forever more”. Since the rise of television, the politician has become a performer, judged by how well he can handle himself; how good he looks; and whether he can make the audience laugh or feel warm inside. As McGinniss writes, “Style becomes the substance. The medium is the massage and the masseur gets the vote.”
 
Bulletproof said:
She handled this as poorly as possible, but she won the ****ing bet! PR fail that will haunt her.

No surprise, of course, that Donald doesn't pay his bets.
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Agreed - she should have kept the analysis results to herself just for her own piece of mind and told Trump to go **** himself.
 
Bulletproof said:
She handled this as poorly as possible, but she won the ****ing bet! PR fail that will haunt her.

No surprise, of course, that Donald doesn't pay his bets.
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I think it's pretty unreasonable to expect Donald to pay this bet. If you claim you're Chinese, black, Native American, ect and tests show if you go back to 6 to 10 generations you are, then you're not. It wasn't just a bad PR move. It was her being ignorant and flaunting.

(I do not like Trump at all btw.)
 
Archie Moses said:
I think it's pretty unreasonable to expect Donald to pay this bet. If you claim you're Chinese, black, Native American, ect and tests show if you go back to 6 to 10 generations you are, then you're not. It wasn't just a bad PR move. It was her being ignorant and flaunting.

(I do not like Trump at all btw.)
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To me doing this is much closer to cultural appropriation than wearing a certain dress or having dreads
 
Did someone say cultural appropriation?

Weird. Why does the left ignore things like this? I thought they think they are the champions against such bigotry.
 
LogGrad98 said:
To me doing this is much closer to cultural appropriation than wearing a certain dress or having dreads
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I'll say it (to you) again. She was told by her family that they had Native American ancestry. For her to repeat that, believing her parents and the rest of her family, was not dishonest in any way.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Did someone say cultural appropriation?

Weird. Why does the left ignore things like this? I thought they think they are the champions against such bigotry.
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Using terminology you grew up using in the context you learned it is not cultural appropriation.
 
Bulletproof said:
I'll say it (to you) again. She was told by her family that they had Native American ancestry. For her to repeat that, believing her parents and the rest of her family, was not dishonest in any way.
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Having native American ancestry and listing yourself as "American Indian" on a bar registry form are 2 very different things.

However this issue has been hashed and rehashed and I don't care to rehash it yet again. Obviously people have differing opinions on it. Suffice it to say most agree it wasn't handled well.
 
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