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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?
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Hotdog
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Haha.
What?
How did that clarify anything?
Nadler didnt even know what they were asking for. The whole room had to help him remember, even right after they just said it. How in the world is that dude heading that committee?
I just watched that guy grill Candace Owens for thinking she called a member of the committee stupid when Candace clearly said another memeber thinks black people are stupid. I posted that video a bit ago on Jazzfanz. I dont think that even has his own wits about him. He doesnt seem to know whats going on half the time.
Can you explain to me what parts of the redactions should be unredacted, because that video did not explain it.
Red
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Good CNN article, that clarifies exactly where we are. Some here, who neither respect, nor can even comprehend our constitutional republic, are completly oblivious to all this. But, it is a fact that a good % of the American electorate, would be fine with this degree of authoritarianism, so no surprise how clueless some here truly are:
"Our forefathers must be turning in their graves," Panetta told CNN's Brianna Keilar. "Our forefathers were really clear that they didn't want power to be centralized in any one branch of government, particularly in a king or a president."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/politics/donald-trump-constitution-jerry-nadler-democrats/index.html
Washington(CNN)The constitutional showdown between President Donald Trump and House Democrats is taking a grave new twist that threatens to embroil the nation in a deep political and legal nightmare that could last for years.
With almost every day that passes, Trump is providing a glimpse of how American government might look under a President who disdains the principles and pillars on which it is built.
His sweeping assertion of executive privilege over the entire Mueller report on Wednesday intensified the most serious standoff between Congress and the White House in decades and opened a hugely significant new battle over the nature of US democracy.....
......If anything, the stakes are now even more important than whether Trump obstructed justice during the Mueller investigation, or the contempt charge against Barr, which will have little practical effect on the attorney general's ability to function.
Those are issues that will expire with this administration in two or six years.
But Trump's refusal to comply with long traditions governing the relationship between Congress and the presidency cut to the core of American democracy and could change it for future generations.
The President's presumptive claim of executive privilege over the entire un-redacted Mueller report after Democrats had issued a subpoena demanding its handover goes further than his previous efforts to evade congressional oversight, crossing an important line.
If the gambit stands, it suggests a President can simply ignore the tools designed for Congress to check his power and examine his actions and he will face no significant sanction. Once this threshold is crossed there may be no going back for future administrations.....
......"It is hard to think of an example like that, that is as fundamental to the American Constitution, not only that Congress makes the laws and the president exercises them, but part of the legislative function is to exercise oversight.
"Without the subpoena power to compel oversight it is hard to know how they can even do the basics of their jobs," said Brettschneider, author of "The Oath and the Office: A Guide to the Constitution for Future Presidents."
"Our forefathers must be turning in their graves," Panetta told CNN's Brianna Keilar. "Our forefathers were really clear that they didn't want power to be centralized in any one branch of government, particularly in a king or a president."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/politics/donald-trump-constitution-jerry-nadler-democrats/index.html
Washington(CNN)The constitutional showdown between President Donald Trump and House Democrats is taking a grave new twist that threatens to embroil the nation in a deep political and legal nightmare that could last for years.
With almost every day that passes, Trump is providing a glimpse of how American government might look under a President who disdains the principles and pillars on which it is built.
His sweeping assertion of executive privilege over the entire Mueller report on Wednesday intensified the most serious standoff between Congress and the White House in decades and opened a hugely significant new battle over the nature of US democracy.....
......If anything, the stakes are now even more important than whether Trump obstructed justice during the Mueller investigation, or the contempt charge against Barr, which will have little practical effect on the attorney general's ability to function.
Those are issues that will expire with this administration in two or six years.
But Trump's refusal to comply with long traditions governing the relationship between Congress and the presidency cut to the core of American democracy and could change it for future generations.
The President's presumptive claim of executive privilege over the entire un-redacted Mueller report after Democrats had issued a subpoena demanding its handover goes further than his previous efforts to evade congressional oversight, crossing an important line.
If the gambit stands, it suggests a President can simply ignore the tools designed for Congress to check his power and examine his actions and he will face no significant sanction. Once this threshold is crossed there may be no going back for future administrations.....
......"It is hard to think of an example like that, that is as fundamental to the American Constitution, not only that Congress makes the laws and the president exercises them, but part of the legislative function is to exercise oversight.
"Without the subpoena power to compel oversight it is hard to know how they can even do the basics of their jobs," said Brettschneider, author of "The Oath and the Office: A Guide to the Constitution for Future Presidents."
Red
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It clearly explained that only one of the 4 categories of redacted portions would not be legal for the AG to release: the grand jury material. And it clearly stated that the subpoena did not request that category of the 4 redactions.
https://thinkprogress.org/house-democrats-subpoena-barr-law-e5c0888d90c7/
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Red
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...titutional-crisis-mueller-report-william-barr
"Laurence Tribe, a constitutional law professor at Harvard Law School, says: “This is more than minor fireworks. It’s a fundamental challenge to the structure of checks and balances. In particular, the president’s wholesale, blunderbuss assertion of executive privilege over the entirety of the Mueller report is legally groundless to the point of being preposterous.
What we are seeing is a systemic attack on checks and balances
“The redacted portions of the report and the underlying masses of evidence – the only items not already in the public domain – include vast amounts of material that cannot conceivably be described as subject to any of the several forms of executive privilege as that privilege was defined in the Nixon tapes case ... This reckless invocation of executive privilege gives the whole concept a stench of coverup, a sad fate for an important principle with a number of entirely valid applications.”
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The Thriller
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Are we in a constitutional crisis yet???
And if we aren’t, what will it take to finally place us in one?
And if we aren’t, what will it take to finally place us in one?
I would think Trump would be head over heels excited to get the report fully out there that completely exonerated him. I know I'd be tossing copies of it from airplanes and ****.
You know, grand jury material redacted of course.
But hell. This is like the old trope of the bad guy we all know is guilty "pleading the 5th". It's stupid and embarrassing.
You know, grand jury material redacted of course.
But hell. This is like the old trope of the bad guy we all know is guilty "pleading the 5th". It's stupid and embarrassing.
Red
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Trump's attempt to deny Congress co-equal status as a branch of our government certainly should qualify. What troubles me, and I should think would trouble anyone who understands and appreciates what the framers of the constitution created, is that far too many American citizens do not care at all. Every generation should be vigilant and at the ready if the fundamentals of our constitution stand endangered. In our current tribal environment, far too many will willingly grant Trump as much power as he desires. They neither understand what is at stake, nor do they care.
Hotdog
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You still did not explain what portions should be unredacted and why.
Again, here is what has been redacted.
Grand Jury Material
Sensitive intelligence
Matters effecting ongoing investigations
Infringement on privacy rights
Which one of those do you need to see so badly, and how do you think it could effect the investigation differently than what has already been determined by the other 99% of the report than Congress can read, but wont.
"Attorney General William Barr redacted four types of information in the report: grand jury material, sensitive intelligence, matters that could affect ongoing investigations, and infringements on the privacy rights of “peripheral third parties.”
You do realize that would be tens of thousands of investigations.
We typically investigate where there is evidence of illegal activity.
You're so dumb it took you two hours to watch 60 minutes.
Hotdog
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Oh my god.
You people are just too much.
Im curious were guys just as upset when Barrack Obama asserted his executive privilege to withhold documents in Fast and Furious and Eric Holder?
Or what about Bill Clinton, and the numerous time he did it?
You a rambling on like Trump is setting precedence for something. And what Trump has done is not even close to why they they did.
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You're so dumb you got fired from the M&M factory for throwing out W's.
Hotdog
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Thats not fresh bro. I played that joke years ago.
You know how I know you are dumb? Because you call othe people dumb when you dont have a good response. Its the mark of the liberal.
I know why you are mad too. Its because I wont join in on the chorus of crying and complaining with you guys. The other mark of a liberal.
You show all the signs of being a weak person with a lot of internal issues. I feel bad for you. Honestly I do. I dont get mad when you attack me. I know that you cant help it. Its who you are, and you cant change that. Life is hard, but its not my duty to go down with the drowning man. If you would quit panicking I could help,
You're so stupid you tried to sell the house to pay the mortgage.
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Hotdog
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Thats another really old joke too.
Do have any jokes you didnt get off your candy wrappers?
You're so dumb you tried to send me a fax with a stamp.
Which is also an old joke, because who the **** faxes anymore?
Hotdog
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Lmao
You are so dumb you think that is not a way to help pay off the mortgage..
If I own a mansion with 10% owing, then I sell it to buy a slightly smaller house with no debt. Thats paying off the mortgage, and that would most likely be a smart thing to do.
Hotdog
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Thats just a dumb joke.
Do you have any that you didnt just make up? Could you go back to candy wrapper jokes? Those were better.