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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

Thee jazz fan said:
Keep in mind he was one of the main reasons we won that one playoff game. I think people forget how good he really is.
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No one has forgotten how good he is. We all know he's a very good player, probably our third best player. I've never seen anyone say the reason they want to let him go is because he sucks or isn't very good. He plays the same position as one of our two best players and franchise cornerstones. He's a terrible fit in the starting lineup. We have two starting centers so we try to make it work by starting one of them at power forward and it just doesn't work, it never has and it never will. I'd love to keep him as a backup center but at that point he'd only be playing around 16 minutes a game so I wouldn't want to pay him more than 6 or 7 million a year at most.
 
Gobert $25
Ingles $12
Favors $12
Exum $9.6
Crowder $7.8
Mitchell $3.6
Allen $2.5
Bradley $2
O'Neale $1.6
Niang $1.6
Korver $1.2 (after waive and stretch)
Draft pick cap hold $2
Total: $81 Million

We still have $28 under the cap to spend if Korver retires and we keep Favors at $12. If we let Favors go, we'd have around $70 but what are we doing with that if we don't get a max level guy?

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Jingled said:
LMFAO
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Rivers is one piece of our puzzle! Now, we need another piece, another good 3 point shooter who will fit in with our system, come cheap and stay healthy! He's out there somewhere....tattoo's and all! Korver is getting old. Rivers is young! Our next piece needs to also be young and energetic! Could be a draft choice, could be a free agent, could be someone off the street! Our core players are winners and excel in many areas of basketball! Somebody out there is going to recognize that and jump at the opportunity to sign and play for this Jazz team!
 
LoPo said:
For all those guys against keeping Favors at around $12 -

if we don't get a major free agent, who are you spending the money on?

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Substantially improve the team or improve draft position. There is absolutely zero reason to continue win now mode with a fifth seed at best.

OKC has two MVP caliber players. Cant get close.
Houston has an MVP and a one time MVP candidate (should have won). Cant get close.
Utah doesnt have an all star, and the closest thing to a scoring threat will never be more than a 2nd tier all star.

They need to let the failed build die a quick death so it's degradation can fertilize a fast rebounding new crop.
 
LoPo said:
Gobert $25
Ingles $12
Favors $12
Exum $9.6
Crowder $7.8
Mitchell $3.6
Allen $2.5
Bradley $2
O'Neale $1.6
Niang $1.6
Korver $1.2 (after waive and stretch)
Draft pick cap hold $2
Total: $81 Million

We still have $28 under the cap to spend if Korver retires and we keep Favors at $12. If we let Favors go, we'd have around $70 but what are we doing with that if we don't get a max level guy?

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Get two other guys or three other guys... there is still value in free agency if we got two or three good pieces versus one max guy.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Let’s put this another way.

We’ll be paying about 40M next year at the center position, very possibly the least important position in the league.

Brilliant.
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Gobert is worth every penny.

Soon you'll turn on Donovan.

You probably hated Malone too.


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Handlogten's Heros said:
Dude you serious right now? We’ve had him on an expiring deal for two years and netted nothing... it was no secret he was on the block for a couple years too... last year he would have had the most value because a team could control his guarantee. He had less value now and is one knee tweak from having zero value...

Favs is great... great team player... does not fit and is really overpriced for how we’d ise him. Just moving on and finding a long term backup at a fair price would be better.
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Look if we sign a Harris level free agent then problem solved, but why take away opportunities to to get a Harris level talent by adding salary from dropping Favors. Every year is different. There could easily be a better market for Favors next year, maybe the right opportunity comes along, also I don’t think the jazz were all that serious about trading Favors two years ago, as we were in a playoff run, IMO the jazz chose not to trade him for Niko, last year, this last year we were primarily dealing with Memphis, and they ended up trading for Tor’s C. Who can say what other opportunities will come next year. If Gobert misses any time, Favors could really come in handy, then he becomes a free agent regardless, and maybe he resigns for cheap. It would be nice to have a max level scorer and Favors as our backup C.
 
Jingled said:
No one has forgotten how good he is. We all know he's a very good player, probably our third best player. I've never seen anyone say the reason they want to let him go is because he sucks or isn't very good. He plays the same position as one of our two best players and franchise cornerstones. He's a terrible fit in the starting lineup. We have two starting centers so we try to make it work by starting one of them at power forward and it just doesn't work, it never has and it never will. I'd love to keep him as a backup center but at that point he'd only be playing around 16 minutes a game so I wouldn't want to pay him more than 6 or 7 million a year at most.
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He’s expiring. It’s not like he has 3-4 years left, otherwise I’d agree with you. IMO it’s better to hold on to Favors and try the following years to get a max level scorer. He’s more valuable to the team then the overall numbers suggest the only thing I trust fully is my eyes, and my eyes tell me he’s better then the pure analytics suggests. You can’t just rely on the numbers alone. IMO of course. The main reason I’d keep him is for another chance at a max level player the following year, hell who knows maybe we find such a player in the draft. Crazier things have happened, but long shot, I know. Then we can keep Faves
 
firegirl said:
Gobert is worth every penny.

Soon you'll turn on Donovan.

You probably hated Malone too.


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He's not dogging on Gobert. He's basically the one person on the roster where it's okay that he can't shoot.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
He’s expiring. It’s not like he has 3-4 years left, otherwise I’d agree with you. IMO it’s better to hold on to Favors and try the following years to get a max level scorer. He’s more valuable to the team then the overall numbers suggest the only thing I trust fully is my eyes, and my eyes tell me he’s better then the pure analytics suggests. You can’t just rely on the numbers alone. IMO of course. The main reason I’d keep him is for another chance at a max level player the following year, hell who knows maybe we find such a player in the draft. Crazier things have happened, but long shot, I know. Then we can keep Faves
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It's not about numbers or analytics, his analytics are very good. The problem is he doesn't fit, the problem is we're paying him $18 million to play 23 minutes a game during the season, 20 minutes during the playoffs and never finish games.
 
Jingled said:
It's not about numbers or analytics, his analytics are very good. The problem is he doesn't fit, the problem is we're paying him $18 million to play 23 minutes a game during the season, 20 minutes during the playoffs and never finish games.
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And maybe the biggest issue... he fits for 12 -13 minutes... the rest of those 20-23 minutes are Rudy Favs minutes which make us worse.
 
Portland has a hard time keeping Aminu and Harkless on the floor... both are better three shooters than Favs but they can’t dribble... we need guys that can shoot, create, and/or dribble... or they need to be the best defensive player in the league or lead the league in FG percentage to be viable with our other starters.
 
Jingled said:
Good point. Damn, it makes that $18 million look even worse.
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It’s just time to move forward... bench bigs are like the easiest commodity to find. Find one and give him a multi year deal at 4-8M and you can get something of good quality... or go minimum if there are better uses of the space.
 
My whole point is if we don’t sign a max level player, you hold onto him and trade for that missing piece, or try to sign one the following year when he becomes a free agent. If he’s on the books for one year only that 18 million is a small price to pay if it gives us a better shot at someone like Harris or Walker or Klay. It’s not like I want to keep him unless we sign him cheep, but if we can’t sign a max level guy we need favors for a trade or to try again the next offseason.
 
We should've just traded for Conley at the deadline. I'll be really surprised if we're able to get a player as good as he is in the offseason. Opportunities to land that level of player don't come around very often, especially for a small market team like us.
 
I know this wont go over well. And I hate to say it, but we aren't winning with Gobert. I'm beginning to realize the the league doesn't care about defensive side of the ball. And he is constantly exploited by elite perimeter teams like Houston and Golden state. Hes soft against heavier centers and his stone like hands has been a huge liability at the end of games. If you want to build a legitimate team you have to think offense in the NBA.
1 through 5. Yes the defense wont be as elite, but defense hasn't won us anything. And we have been the top 2 the past two years. If I'm the GM I trade Gobert for shooters and a star. If we need fire power. And we all know we do. Than we need to focus on the offensive side of the ball. Harris wont move the needle much. Kemba will a bit. But not championships. Unfortunately we have to play the game the way it's meant to be played. If we dont, and keep riding this defensive mind set we will continue to be beaten by better offensive teams year in and year out.
 
What you clowns are failing to realize is that Ribino knows our system in and out, has the basketball fundamentals to keep our offense humming, recognizing his shortcomings and is working on them, is VERY comfortable with our system and excels in executing it properly, has the ability to run it with precision and skill, and WANTS to stay here and play for the Jazz! You bring in another dummy and you risk the numb nuts not knowing what to do and when to do it! I'll bet EVERYONE of our big guys and others are pushing for re-signing Rubio and give this thing another shot, especially if we can sign some 3 point shooters who can actually shoot! (Rivers is one)! Our regular season can't possibly be worse than last last year.....and we won 50 games despite our brutal schedule which won't be nearly as bad as this year!
 
Although 3 point shooting is the name of the game, in the playoffs you can slow things down and make every possession count for something....by being patience and working for the best shot, while the other team launches 3 pointers out of there range and set us up for dunks or wide open 3's!! We led the freaking league in DUNKS and baskets made with pick and rolls and screens and picks...and I don't see that changing if we retain Rubio! We can change the dynamics of the NBA just like Portland did against DR. J and the 76ers back in 1976-77 by exploiting the foolishness of teams who think they can consistently shoot a high percentage when they are way out of there range and egnight our fast break by there stupidly! But to do so....we NEED another 3 point shooter!
 
themanknownassting said:
I know this wont go over well. And I hate to say it, but we aren't winning with Gobert. I'm beginning to realize the the league doesn't care about defensive side of the ball. And he is constantly exploited by elite perimeter teams like Houston and Golden state. Hes soft against heavier centers and his stone like hands has been a huge liability at the end of games. If you want to build a legitimate team you have to think offense in the NBA.
1 through 5. Yes the defense wont be as elite, but defense hasn't won us anything. And we have been the top 2 the past two years. If I'm the GM I trade Gobert for shooters and a star. If we need fire power. And we all know we do. Than we need to focus on the offensive side of the ball. Harris wont move the needle much. Kemba will a bit. But not championships. Unfortunately we have to play the game the way it's meant to be played. If we dont, and keep riding this defensive mind set we will continue to be beaten by better offensive teams year in and year out.
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There’s zero chance Rudy is gone, as he is the anchor of our team. About the only trade that would really make me think would be something involving Buddy Hield and De’Aaron Fox. I think Fox would be a perfect PG for us and fits the Donovan timeline. I also just love Buddy Hield.
 
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