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Handlogten's Heros said:
Agree to disagree... I don't think Favs on a 3/30-36M is the worst idea in the world, but I don't see it as something feasible given the hoops we'd have to go through. I'd rather go a different direction... If Rudy leaves then we find a solid replacement then.
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Can we both agree that we should not trade Favors during the draft because guaranteeing and trading him then likely sacrifices the cap space we would need to try to add a Kemba, Tobias, etc.?

And can we also both agree that we should waive Favors because $18 is too much?
 
LoPo said:
Can we both agree that we should not trade Favors during the draft because guaranteeing and trading him then likely sacrifices the cap space we would need to try to add a Kemba, Tobias, etc.?

And can we also both agree that we should waive Favors because $18 is too much?
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Depends on what we got... I preferred to add Conley then fill in the roster gaps with the MLE and BAE. At this point there are too many hurdles to do that. If we had a mutual agreement to move up the guarantee date (which is tricky) and moved Exum in the deal and maybe Korver... then we'd have some marginal cap space or could get there very easily to sign someone like Niko.

At this point pitching those guys in free agency and then either waiving Favors to accommodate a signing is one of the most likely scenarios, but... they most likely scenario is that we strike out and guarantee his salary and then sign someone with the $10-13M we have left over. I don't see him coming in at a lower number. I think $18M in space has more value in a trade than Favs on a one year deal... so yeah I agree we should waive him if we didn't guarantee him and trade him.
 
For the Favors truthers... what do you think Zubac will get on the open market? His per 36 numbers at age 21 are similar to Favs numbers last year. Would you offer him 3/30? 4/40? Why or why not?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Depends on what we got... I preferred to add Conley then fill in the roster gaps with the MLE and BAE. At this point there are too many hurdles to do that. If we had a mutual agreement to move up the guarantee date (which is tricky) and moved Exum in the deal and maybe Korver... then we'd have some marginal cap space or could get there very easily to sign someone like Niko.

At this point pitching those guys in free agency and then either waiving Favors to accommodate a signing is one of the most likely scenarios, but... they most likely scenario is that we strike out and guarantee his salary and then sign someone with the $10-13M we have left over. I don't see him coming in at a lower number. I think $18M in space has more value in a trade than Favs on a one year deal... so yeah I agree we should waive him if we didn't guarantee him and trade him.
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We should know Memphis' intentions tonight. If they end up in the top 8, that means they will likely lose their pick next year to Boston (it's only top 6 protected next year). If that's the case, I see Memphis keeping Conley and trying to compete as best they can this next season. Now if somebody passes Memphis (if that happens please let it be Charlotte or Miami), Memphis will give their pick to Boston and they would probably sell Conley for cheap. With Parsons still getting paid stupid money, they are best served to tank and rebuild around JJJr.

As for Favors, I just think we have to waive him regardless. If he won't stay for market value ($12-14 million) over a few years, then let him go. I hate the idea of another season with him being a large expiring and we don't have the stones to cash in on his large expiring deal. Either commit to him and he commits to us, or let's part ways.
 
LoPo said:
Okay, so the top tier free agents or two overpaid injury prone guys.

Well, I don't think we will get a top tier and don't think we should take on Love or Conley. I would rather keep Favors at 1/3 the cost of Conley or Love.

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I'd rather Utah not make the playoffs than pose meaninglessly in the first round again. One step back, two steps forward >>>>> stagnation, waiting for two or three steps back.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Let's also mention Favors is in decline. Having him as your offseason is a complete failure.
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Nobody in this entire forum said that Favors would be the crown jewel of free agency. If pick up his $18 million option, we still have a ton of money. We have even more if Korver likely retires.

If we miss on big free agents and decide to bring back Favors on a more team friendly deal, it's logical.
 
LoPo said:
Nobody in this entire forum said that Favors would be the crown jewel of free agency. If pick up his $18 million option, we still have a ton of money. We have even more if Korver likely retires.

If we miss on big free agents and decide to bring back Favors on a more team friendly deal, it's logical.
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No they wouldnt, and it's only logical to fans who want to hold hands singing kumbaya around the campfire, telling each other "golly gee, I really love this group of young men". If thats what I wanted out of sports I'd put on an old lady wig and go sit in the rafters of some local high school team. Golly gee, what fine young men!

Signing Favors is not a winning move. You are selling mediocracy maintenance. No thanks.
 
If we missed on primary targets there are a few guys on $10-12M deals that are intriguing fits to me. Would likely get a minor asset to take them on, but that would be a side benefit. A couple that I'd look at:

-Kelly Olynyk - Has been brought up before... He is Kevin Love light, but at his $11-12M per year you can play him primarily as a bench big. Doesn't give the rebounding Love does, but stretches the floor, passes, and can dribble into a post up.. so he can create a bit.

- Norman Powell - I think if Kawhi re-signed in Toronto Norman would be moved for nothing... if they lose Kawhi then they likely just keep him. Can play 2 or 3... improved his shooting percentages... pick and roll ball handling numbers look solid, drives look solid, 43% on catch and shoot threes. Is there something more there... he has 3/$30Mish left after this year, so even if he doesn't have anything more he is worth his contract if healthy. I'm intrigued.

- Tony Snell, but only if he comes with DJ Wilson... Bucks have a salary crunch coming... no picks they can use to offload salary. DJ Wilson looked promising in limited minutes, Tony Snell is a playable wing... just really overpaid.

these would be after other things completely broke down... but are options to use space once we have failed.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
-Kelly Olynyk - Has been brought up before... He is Kevin Love light, but at his $11-12M per year you can play him primarily as a bench big. Doesn't give the rebounding Love does, but stretches the floor, passes, and can dribble into a post up.. so he can create a bit.
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I've been on the Olynyk bandwagon for a while now. I think he's very attainable. If Favors did get picked up if we waived him or if he left because we waived him, Olynyk would be one of the first targets I'd look at. I think Miami will look to sell him because they want to buy big in 2020.
 
LoPo said:
I've been on the Olynyk bandwagon for a while now. I think he's very attainable. If Favors did get picked up if we waived him or if he left because we waived him, Olynyk would be one of the first targets I'd look at. I think Miami will look to sell him because they want to buy big in 2020.
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This is one we have agreed on... I think if we really wanted to we could do a Crowder #23 for Kelly and #13 swap around the draft. Waive Kyle and Neto if we needed the extra few million to get cap space. I think Kelly could play with Rudy and would allow us to go 5-out with a backup center... the defense will suffer, but he's not as bad of a defender as you would think... the advanced metrics on him are really positive... He's a flopper like Illyasova so those guys can get stops occasionally that way.
 
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