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silesian said:
Our D is founded on rim protection. Of course he adds spacing, but you either have to pivot your defensive philosophy dramatically when he is on the floor, or accept a major drop in D when he is on the floor.
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There will be match-ups where this works. That's why I put match-ups permitting in my post.
 
LoPo said:
Just because the guy stayed in the GLeague doesn't mean he can't play. It made more sense for him to play 20+ minutes a night in the GLeague than play 2 minutes a night in the league.
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I would be more likely to hope if I could have seen anything out of him. Admittedly it is a small sample size, and I am not a scout, but what I've seen I have not been hopeful. I think he has soft hands, and a decent shot (with a slow release) so I will the door open a little longer.
 
mellow said:
I would be more likely to hope if I could have seen anything out of him. Admittedly it is a small sample size, and I am not a scout, but what I've seen I have not been hopeful. I think he has soft hands, and a decent shot (with a slow release) so I will the door open a little longer.
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He will get a chance this season to prove if he's worth keeping. If he does, great. If he doesn't, we will move on. All I'm asking him to do is fill Udoh's shoes. If he does better, then that's great for us.
 
stitches said:
I disagree here. I don't think it was by design. At least not the second year. If your 1st round pick is having trouble getting ANY minutes in the NBA in his second season, I don't think that's by design. I think that's by him not being good enough...
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Everyone knows that Bradley was a project when we drafted him. 2 years in G league were expected.

That said, I'm not sure what future there is for a big who plays below the rim, is not explosive, and has no range. Who is the most successful NBA player who had those attributes?
 
I think Bradley's athleticism has been overly maligned. He isn't a leaper, but he moves pretty well laterally, and has a good second jump.

I think he can be a good midrange shot-maker. This playoffs is proving how important this part of the game is re-becoming. And I think he can make midrange shots from the most valuable place on the floor for a midrange shot: the baseline.

And I think he's a good rebounder.

I don't think we'll open the season with Bradley as our primary back-up C. But, if we move on from Favs, I do think he'll get a legit chance to prove himself.
 
silesian said:
Everyone knows that Bradley was a project when we drafted him. 2 years in G league were expected.

That said, I'm not sure what future there is for a big who plays below the rim, is not explosive, and has no range. Who is the most successful NBA player who had those attributes?
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Obviously there is no future if he doesn't get range. Size and athleticism is the same as Nikola Vucevic, who made his first all star game this year. Vuc had a better PER and RPM than Rudy Gobert this year! so he defenitely deserved his all star nod. Vuc started showing some mid range pretty early on though, age 22, so Bradley is going to have to show us something next year or most hope will be lost.
 
stitches said:
I'm not talking about him getting the Favors minutes. I'm talking about him getting the Udoh minutes. He's not good enough to take even them. This is not by design. This is by him not being good enough.
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Why would the Jazz play him over Udoh? They signed Udoh to a 2 year deal to play him for 2 years while Bradley develops in the G-League. You might have missed it, but Udoh was one of the best defensive centers the past two seasons.

This is not about him not being "good enough". It's about a plan the Jazz are carrying out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The stuff that is most troubling is the guys that see him in practice... like Andy Larsen basically lol when asked if he's ready for minutes. It isn't just about skill either Larsen was kind of critical about his mindset and self awareness. I don't see a diamond in the rough... I think he can be an nba player but just a super generic bench big is his ceiling to me. His hand seem good and I do think he moves pretty well for how big he is... his shooting is *** though and I think he will be an average defensive center at best... I think his ceiling is minute filling big... was such a strange pick.
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Let me just go on record to say that I like Andy Larsen, a lot. But he's not God, and not all his takes are 100% correct.

That said, I think he's spot on about Bradley. Bradley is a marginal backup center and is not ready for major minutes on a team that has pretensions to compete/contend.
 
The Thriller said:
Bradley doesn’t have anything close to the skill or athleticism to survive today’s nba. His athleticism makes Jokic or Kanter look like a young KG or Amare.

For Bradley his ceiling is something around one of the Collins twins. Not good.

Add another to Lindsey’s ever expanding wasted pick list. .
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Just out of curiosity, who are the GMs that nail every draft pick, including ones in the 20s?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Why would the Jazz play him over Udoh? They signed Udoh to a 2 year deal to play him for 2 years...
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They signed Udoh AFTER they drafted Bradley (and saw him in practice and summer league). They also signed Udoh on a one-year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. They then picked it up (after seeing Bradley some more).

None of how this has played out necessarily suggests that Bradley is good or that the Jazz believe in him. And no, I don't count them picking up an option at the beginning of the season that accounts to pocket-change as belief.

Besides, in what scenario does it makes sense to use a 1st round pick to draft a pure 5 with no hopes of playing? That's the scenario you laid out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Look... I'm fairly sure we are about to pivot. Favs has been really good, but his biggest benefit is great backup center play. I think we can get 75%-80% of what he brings and maybe get a little different skillset on the cheap.

The candidates for the room exception or lower (4.5M per year for 2 years):

Dedmon - may be above this pay grade... would give shot blocking and some three point shooting.

Noah Vonleh - Good at moving his feet, good defender, adds some passing... still young so could improve.

Ivica Zubac - he may stay put but his #s per 36 are identical to Favs. If he stays restricted I'm guessing clips retain him for this small of an offer.

Thomas Bryant - Good young player likely gets more than this cuz Wiz pay 200% for every player they can... wiz gonna wiz.

Kyle O Quinn - The most gettable and solid replacement imo.

Minimum Guys

Javale McGee - Goofy AF but productive... can do a homeless man's impression of Rudy.

Tyson Chandler - Old AF and likely stays in LA

Kosta Koufus - Solid center... bring back boom bitches.

Khem Birch - Solid defensive center... buried in Orlando

Ekpe Udoh - We know what he is good and bad at.

Any that I missed? Was only looking at potential bargains not expensive backups.
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I really like Noah vonleh as a back up
 
NUMBERICA said:
They signed Udoh AFTER they drafted Bradley (and saw him in practice and summer league). They also signed Udoh on a one-year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. They then picked it up (after seeing Bradley some more).

None of how this has played out necessarily suggests that Bradley is good or that the Jazz believe in him. And no, I don't count them picking up an option at the beginning of the season that accounts to pocket-change as belief.

Besides, in what scenario does it makes sense to use a 1st round pick to draft a pure 5 with no hopes of playing? That's the scenario you laid out.
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The Jazz leapfrogged a team just to draft Bradley. They knew who he was going into it. It's not like it was some giant surprise he was a project.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz leapfrogged a team just to draft Bradley. They knew who he was going into it. It's not like it was some giant surprise he was a project.
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Ooofff. And took Bradley ahead of Josh Hart, Derrick White, and Jordan Bell? Missing out on Kuzma by one pick? Ouch

Furthermore, we couldn’t see two years ago that the nba was moving away from slow lumbering bigs? Even given the opportunity to play, we really think a slow *** tree trunk won’t be a massive defensive liability? Bradley makes Kanter look agile and fast.
 
The Thriller said:
Yeah guy, that’s not even close to the standard critics of Lindsey are holding him up to. But if creating that straw man makes you feel better, then rock on!
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Lol. I've read lots of critics of Lindsey here (I'm one myself at times), and perhaps the most common criticism is blowing draft picks, often with reference to picks in the 20s, which seems to be really pushing the argument, but that's not stopping people. So, yeah, not the straw man you'd want it to be.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz leapfrogged a team just to draft Bradley. They knew who he was going into it. It's not like it was some giant surprise he was a project.
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Did they though... I remember some advanced analytic draft buzz on Bradley and think I remember teams projecting him to have the ability to shoot. At this point I don't think he projects as a shooter at all... quite possibly a really bad shooter. His FT percentage is... ummm… not good.

I think they took a shot but are likely seeing that it won't work out... It's okay... drafting isn't close to a perfect science.

My issue with the pick was always the though process behind it. There were lots of bigs in that draft and lots of wing players drafted around our range... I get that if you like your guy you take him, but I didn't see Bradley as a much better project than any of the other bigs. Wings have an easier path to playing time... so why not gamble on one of them? Like we had to know centers were becoming less valuable.

Several times you have said the comp to him was Aldridge or a poor man's Aldridge... if that is what they thought then sure pick the kid... after two years I'm really comfortable saying he will not be that.
 
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