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stitches said:
I'd rather have Kelly Oubre over Lamb. Convince me I'm stupid to feel this way ...
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I would as well. Oubre is a RFA though so they will probably match unless we over pay for him. But I think he is worth 15 mil.

Stats wise they are very similar. But Oubre is 3 years younger, taller, more athletic and a better more versatile defender.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
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The next story the keep Favs crowd will sell is that he's a trade asset... Is he? Cuz dude been on the trade block in perpetuity and we haven't gotten an offer good enough to pull the trigger.
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Just because we didnt trade him doesnt mean we didnt get offers. He also has had health concerns for 3 seasons. This is his first healthy year in awhile and he performed very well. His value has gone up now and even more so since the trade deadline. I also dont believe he has been on the block. Those were just rumors that he was involved in trade proposals. But the Jazz never talk about that stuff so it probably isnt accurate.
 
stitches said:
I'd rather have Kelly Oubre over Lamb. Convince me I'm stupid to feel this way ...
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Don’t think it’s stupid... Oubre has some physical tools and is young... Lamb is a much better player at this point. Kelly has a bigger upside but I kind of see what @Saint Cy of JFC sees in Lamb when I squint a little... is he a guy that has now matured and there is more there? I think he’s had opportunity but not in a super great coaching environment and their bigs are trash... so maybe with Rudy screens it open things up.

I’m not confident in either guy but I’m cool spending on wings.
 
stitches said:
I'd rather have Kelly Oubre over Lamb. Convince me I'm stupid to feel this way ...
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Yeah, I was thinking, why don't we overpay Oubre if the Sun's won't match, but then I thought I was missing something important, because no one else said anything. I figure that every single player on the Suns is better than what they have shown, save Booker who is probably a little worse.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Just because we didnt trade him doesnt mean we didnt get offers. He also has had health concerns for 3 seasons. This is his first healthy year in awhile and he performed very well. His value has gone up now and even more so since the trade deadline. I also dont believe he has been on the block. Those were just rumors that he was involved in trade proposals. But the Jazz never talk about that stuff so it probably isnt accurate.
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Been healthy two years in a row... been on the block for a few years. No trade that knocks our socks off has come. He was involved in the Conley deal that fell through (maybe not, but would have been hard to match salary without him and Exum).

If we could have received a first for him I think we would have done it. If we could have received Conley we would have done it. I just think bigs who can't shoot or dribble will have a limited market. If we were this big of Favs fans we could have easily given him a multi year deal last year that had a lower cap number that makes it easier to find that other piece. If he was on the books at $12M for next year you can waive and stretch Korver and make some max offers... might have to move Jae into someone's space.

The other thing it does is makes it tough to get a really good stretch 4 because they know they are likely not starting if Favs is here.

If we somehow landed Conley without Favs in the deal then it could work and I'm fine keeping him if they can't figure other stuff out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Don’t think it’s stupid... Oubre has some physical tools and is young... Lamb is a much better player at this point. Kelly has a bigger upside but I kind of see what @Saint Cy of JFC sees in Lamb when I squint a little... is he a guy that has now matured and there is more there? I think he’s had opportunity but not in a super great coaching environment and their bigs are trash... so maybe with Rudy screens it open things up.

I’m not confident in either guy but I’m cool spending on wings.
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Yeah, I'm not super confident in either, but I feel like Oubre is a younger version with better physical profile and I think there is unexplored potential in him. He's always been on dysfunctional teams and he was starting to figure it out before the end of the season with Igor. I think he's probably going to cost less than Lamb and if we are going to be betting on a non-premium talent, I'd rather go for the younger one that probably has higher upside.
 
framer said:
Yeah, I was thinking, why don't we overpay Oubre if the Sun's won't match, but then I thought I was missing something important, because no one else said anything. I figure that every single player on the Suns is better than what they have shown, save Booker who is probably a little worse.
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I think they'd likely match anything reasonable. He's a bit of a shot hunter for me, but his efficiency wasn't awful. He's been in Washington and Phoenix so he might be good, but he also may have too many losing habits at this point. I could see him being good or I could see him being Andrew Wiggins, but with a little more competitive fire.

If he was unrestricted I might put him above Lamb... IDK both are just frightening depending on contract.
 
stitches said:
Yeah, I'm not super confident in either, but I feel like Oubre is a younger version with better physical profile and I think there is unexplored potential in him. He's always been on dysfunctional teams and he was starting to figure it out before the end of the season with Igor. I think he's probably going to cost less than Lamb and if we are going to be betting on a non-premium talent, I'd rather go for the younger one that probably has higher upside.
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Just so much garbage time that I'm not sure I trust the numbers behind him "figuring it out". I get the argument for him more than guys like Rozier.

If we get to the "make an big offer to Kelly Oubre" portion of the offseason I am likely already disappointed with the summer.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, Favors had a 4.3 BPM last year. It sucks he can't play more because of the fit issues, but he's a huge part of the Jazz's success. I dont think guys like Bjelica, Mirotic, etc are upgrades over him even though they are better fits.

*If* the max free agents are off the table the answer should be to keep Favors, target Lamb as the 2nd scoring option, and try to add some vet pieces.
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So we'd basically be keeping the same team except replacing Rubio with Lamb and maybe replacing Sefelosha and Udoh with other cheap vets. Does that really move the needle? Does it get us any closer to the Rockets or Warriors? Does it even make us better than the Nuggets or Blazers? I just don't see it.
 
One thing as I look back on the season that sticks out to me... How the hell are we so good when Neto is on the court. Must be some flukey **** with his on/off numbers... I think he played a little more once the schedule eased up, but some of his lineup data is just insane to me. Makes me wonder... If we had an average, but solid and steady NBA point guard how good are we? Like DJ Augustine level of player.

I think Ricky is good, but his inconsistency and some of his particular flaws (turnover prone, bad shooting, uneven defense) make a more vanilla option more palatable.
 
Jingled said:
So we'd basically be keeping the same team except replacing Rubio with Lamb and maybe replacing Sefelosha and Udoh with other cheap vets. Does that really move the needle? Does it get us any closer to the Rockets or Warriors? Does it even make us better than the Nuggets or Blazers? I just don't see it.
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The only thing that moves the needle to get us closer to those teams is Chris Paul aging and Kevin Durant leaving.
 
NUMBERICA said:
There are more than 5 guys worth signing. There are dozens of options better than being the last team to believe in a basketball philosophy that has been roundly disproven as a true winning strategy.

I’ll be happy for a handful more of 50-win seasons, no trips to the WCF or beyond, and Gobert and Mitchell bouncing if the Jazz show some steel for ****ing once. If they don’t, then those results don’t really mean **** to me. Furthermore, I am entirely skeptical that Favors really improves the team that much given the known-issues with the fit.
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Yeah and you can sign one of those guys for 18 mill or less.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And if Tony's sources are right, then that probably means the Jazz dont think they can sign one of the big target max guys.
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I think that writing was on the wall as soon as DL tried to get Conley in exchange for all that flexibility he's been telling us is so important for 4-5 years.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Uhh, there's nothing about Favors holding the team back. The Jazz were a 50 win team with him and Rubio. Yes, I think ideally it would be best to replace both with shooters who better fit the team, but it might be possible to only do one or the other. The Jazz upgrade from Rubio while keeping Favors, and you could have a 55+ win team on your hands.
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If we keep Favors, I see our ceiling upgrade as a Darren Collison. Yes, we could win a few more games, but ultimately my qualifier was "take us to the next step," of which I don't think a middling PG acquisition qualifies.
 
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