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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

Handlogten's Heros said:
Wait... if he is so important why risk losing him for a measly $6M?

Also, the though we could waive him and get him back on a better deal is pretty silly imo. If that happens I'll eat crow, but my guess is he would have better or similar offers... anything that is similar that provides him opportunity to close games and he will leave. I don't even think his family is here now so Utah may be "fine" but he isn't married to it.
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It's all about value. We overpaid Favors last year. We shouldn't twice just because.

If Favors took similar money to play elsewhere, then you should be happy right? Why are you arguing both sides of this? Shouldn't you be begging for us to waive him no matter what? Then from there, you should hope that another team signs him. Either way, bringing him back on a smaller number is better than $18 right?
 
LoPo said:
And everybody thought that Boston would be amazing this year because they took an Eastern Conference Finals team and added Kyrie Irving.

Chemistry actually means something. Sure, Favors is limited, but the guy is a major part of the identity of the team. We already acknowledge that we are letting Rubio, Thabo, and Udoh go. All of those guys are fantastic lockerroom guys. Korver is probably gone and he's a great lockerroom guy too. Now everybody just wants to bail on Favors.

It's not that easy to uproot half of the "good culture" guys on a roster and expect things to stay as good or even get better.
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We don’t have the talent to have the luxury of this concern. Furthermore, you’ve said yourself that Kyrie is a dick.
 
LoPo said:
It's all about value. We overpaid Favors last year. We shouldn't twice just because.

If Favors took similar money to play elsewhere, then you should be happy right? Why are you arguing both sides of this? Shouldn't you be begging for us to waive him no matter what? Then from there, you should hope that another team signs him. Either way, bringing him back on a smaller number is better than $18 right?
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I'm not the one arguing both sides of this... I think the best thing is to waive him and be done... if we got him on 3/36M then that is second best option (I don't see this as viable though)... third best is just him at $18M.

I have been pretty clear we should waive him no matter what and address other needs... I think the front office sees him as a viable fallback option... offseason is very likely a failure if we have Favs on the roster.

Another issue with Favs sticking around is it is a stumbling block for us finding a long term backup solution.
 
NUMBERICA said:
We don’t have the talent to have the luxury of this concern. Furthermore, you’ve said yourself that Kyrie is a dick.
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Getting good guys is important, but just as important... avoid douches... Boston has a few.
 
LoPo said:
And everybody thought that Boston would be amazing this year because they took an Eastern Conference Finals team and added Kyrie Irving.

Chemistry actually means something. Sure, Favors is limited, but the guy is a major part of the identity of the team. We already acknowledge that we are letting Rubio, Thabo, and Udoh go. All of those guys are fantastic lockerroom guys. Korver is probably gone and he's a great lockerroom guy too. Now everybody just wants to bail on Favors.

It's not that easy to uproot half of the "good culture" guys on a roster and expect things to stay as good or even get better.
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So we should keep Favors to help maintain chemistry so that we can lose to the Rockets in 5 games again next season or get swept by the Warriors while Favors is limited to under 20 minutes a game?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like how you said we under appreciate Favors and in the same post think we should trade Gobert… who is our identity. I like Favs... he's the worst kind of redundant for us though... It will be easier to address our issues long and short term by using his cap allocation elsewhere.
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If you had very limited resources to accomplish a job, but had a pair of pliers, a set of socket wrenches, a hammer, and a crescent wrench, but not a screw driver, does it make more sense to trade the crescent wrench for a screw driver, even if it’s really, really good crescent wrench? Even if it’s that crescent wrench is a better crescent wrench than the screw driver is a screw driver? People getting way too hung up on how awesome the little-used crescent wrench is while forgetting that without a screw driver stabilizing the bolt, ain’t nothing loosening that ****ing nut off, of which you’d be using the socket wrench anyway so it’s irrelevant. But OMG DAT CRESCENT WRENCH DOE!
 
LoPo said:
I've already said it now 101 times - I wouldn't give Favors $18 million. I would waive and re-sign. If he gets picked up or decides to sign elsewhere, so be it. Waive Favors, go after big free agents, likely fail, bring back Favors at $12ish.

This whole Favors debate comes down to our ability to sign better players. If we can, let's do it. If we have the choice of Mirotic or Favors, just stick with Favors. That lateral move isn't worth it.
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Why does Favors agree to this? "Oh, you want to shop around and if no one wants to come to Utah you will contact me about another deal? Sure, okay". Why in the world do you think Favors would be available after the Jazz let him go off his current deal, after the Jazz strike out with signing Kemba and Tobias? And even if Favors were still available in such a hypothetical situation, why would he sign with the Jazz after they did that to him?

Dennis Lindsey built a team that has next to no trade pieces, few options, is backed into a corner and seeking to build a team around a player who is perpetually overly-emotional because the world doesn't treat him like he's Giannis and sees him for what he really is; the third best player on a championship winning team


infection said:
If you had very limited resources to accomplish a job, but had a pair of pliers, a set of socket wrenches, a hammer, and a crescent wrench, but not a screw driver, does it make more sense to trade the crescent wrench for a screw driver, even if it’s really, really good crescent wrench? Even if it’s that crescent wrench is a better crescent wrench than the screw driver is a screw driver? People getting way too hung up on how awesome the little-used crescent wrench is while forgetting that without a screw driver stabilizing the bolt, ain’t nothing loosening that ****ing nut off, of which you’d be using the socket wrench anyway so it’s irrelevant. But OMG DAT CRESCENT WRENCH DOE!
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I want to see the Jazz make it work with Favors but this is an excellent analogy
 
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infection said:
If you had very limited resources to accomplish a job, but had a pair of pliers, a set of socket wrenches, a hammer, and a crescent wrench, but not a screw driver, does it make more sense to trade the crescent wrench for a screw driver, even if it’s really, really good crescent wrench? Even if it’s that crescent wrench is a better crescent wrench than the screw driver is a screw driver? People getting way too hung up on how awesome the little-used crescent wrench is while forgetting that without a screw driver stabilizing the bolt, ain’t nothing loosening that ****ing nut off, of which you’d be using the socket wrench anyway so it’s irrelevant. But OMG DAT CRESCENT WRENCH DOE!
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I love you analogies no matter how much Cy hates em.

What about if you could get the screw driver and a used off-brand backup crescent for the same price for when the good crescent is broken? That might be good right?
 
Jingled said:
So we should keep Favors to help maintain chemistry so that we can lose to the Rockets in 5 games again next season or get swept by the Warriors while Favors is limited to under 20 minutes a game?
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Quit being shortsighted. If we keep Favors at $12-13, we have at least $20 million to continue to upgrade the roster. I'm not saying that we keep Rubio and Favors and run it back. I'm saying keep Favors, and bring in one big piece or two good pieces to replace Rubio.

If we have two good pieces/1 big piece + Favors + the rest of the roster + development from Donovan, Grayson, Niang, O'Neale, then we are better than our 50 win season and 5 game 1st round loss.

Y'all anti-Favors guys are not realizing that he's part of the puzzle. We have to add to him not just keep him.
 
Trade1stsfor1yearpgs said:
Why does Favors agree to this? "Oh, you want to shop around and if no one wants to come to Utah you will contact me about another deal? Sure, okay". Why in the world do you think Favors would be available after the Jazz let him go off his current deal, after the Jazz strike out with signing Kemba and Tobias? And even if Favors were still available in such a hypothetical situation, why would he sign with the Jazz after they did that to him?
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2 reasons:

#1 - he said he wants to stay here

#2 - I think $12-13 million is the most he would get on the open market for a short term deal. If we offer him $12-13 million on a 3 or 4 year deal, we are paying him above market value.

So if Favors wants to go somewhere else to make the same money, bye bye Favors. It goes against what he has said, but if he does it, we can sleep soundly knowing we tried to keep him long term.
 
LoPo said:
I've already said it now 101 times - I wouldn't give Favors $18 million. I would waive and re-sign. If he gets picked up or decides to sign elsewhere, so be it. Waive Favors, go after big free agents, likely fail, bring back Favors at $12ish.

This whole Favors debate comes down to our ability to sign better players. If we can, let's do it. If we have the choice of Mirotic or Favors, just stick with Favors. That lateral move isn't worth it.
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Are we giving him 12million a year to play starting 4 then back Gobert for 21 min? Or are we paying him 12 million to play only the backup 5?

I’m not bringing him back to be a starter and a backup. It makes us worse, and I don’t think he wants to only play 12-15 min to be only a backup. Let him go
 
I'm sure this was mentioned but I sure would like the Jazz to get Brogdon, especially after watching the playoffs. He probably isn't even 100 percent, coming off that injury. I mentioned this before.
 
Jingled said:
So we should keep Favors to help maintain chemistry so that we can lose to the Rockets in 5 games again next season or get swept by the Warriors while Favors is limited to under 20 minutes a game?
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While still playing better than Gobert. See what I did there?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I love you analogies no matter how much Cy hates em.

What about if you could get the screw driver and a used off-brand backup crescent for the same price for when the good crescent is broken? That might be good right?
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Nah. Why would you swap a really good crescent wrench for just a good one? Especially when you can just try to use the edge of the wrench to plug into the Phillips end of any screw. You get that angled just right and push hard enough, it should hold for long enough to loosen the screw at least 40% of the time.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I'm sure this was mentioned but I sure would like the Jazz to get Brogdon, especially after watching the playoffs. He probably isn't even 100 percent, coming off that injury. I mentioned this before.
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We'd all love to have Brogdon but he's restricted and there's basically no chance the Bucks don't match any offer he receives.
 
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infection said:
Nah. Why would you swap a really good crescent wrench for just a good one? Especially when you can just try to use the edge of the wrench to plug into the Phillips end of any screw. You get that angled just right and push hard enough, it should hold for long enough to loosen the screw at least 40% of the time.
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I think that the wrench can learn to shoot... err I mean I think it will learn to be a screw driver and a crescent wrench too.

Guys it isn't a knock on Favs... but we can get a solid backup for under $5M a year. Use the additional $13M to do something in free agency... if DL can't get anyone to take the money then use it in trades. Give 13M to Lamb, 13M to Gay, sign a solid backup for 5M...
 
LoPo said:
Quit being shortsighted. If we keep Favors at $12-13, we have at least $20 million to continue to upgrade the roster. I'm not saying that we keep Rubio and Favors and run it back. I'm saying keep Favors, and bring in one big piece or two good pieces to replace Rubio.

If we have two good pieces/1 big piece + Favors + the rest of the roster + development from Donovan, Grayson, Niang, O'Neale, then we are better than our 50 win season and 5 game 1st round loss.

Y'all anti-Favors guys are not realizing that he's part of the puzzle. We have to add to him not just keep him.
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What big piece or two good pieces are we going to bring in for $18-20 million that's actually going to move the needle? Jeremy Lamb, Terry Rozier and Justice Winslow aren't going to get us any closer to beating the Rockets or Warriors in the playoffs, which should be our only goal at this point.
 
Jingled said:
What big piece or two good pieces are we going to bring in that's actually going to move the needle. Jeremy Lamb, Terry Rozier and Justin Winslow aren't going to get us any closer to beating the Rockets or Warriors in the playoffs, which should be our only goal at this point.
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If we kept Favors while also adding 2 of Rozier, Winslow and Lamb, I'm quite certain we would fare well against aging Houston and GS without KD.
 
Jingled said:
We'd all love to Brogdon but he's restricted and there's basically no chance the Bucks don't match any offer he receives.
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Here is something I have wondered... if we get to the point where restricted guys are now getting offers and we still have max space... At that point we could throw the toxic offer sheet their way and test them. They might be the heir to the throne if GS falls off... if they match it costs them later... if we get him at a big overpay at least we addressed a need.

There's a small chance they let Malcolm walk if they have to max Middleton and he gets a crazy offer sheet. Could see them talking themselves into Donte stepping up and re-signing Hill after he clears waivers.
 
LoPo said:
If we kept Favors while also adding 2 of Rozier, Winslow and Lamb, I'm quite certain we would fare well against aging Houston and GS without KD.
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I mean you aren't getting two of those guys for under 18-20M, but sure.
 
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