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fair enough.... my lead was just as anchored in fact as your reply.
here is a link.....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterg...lege-boards-sat-adversity-score/#5674a4e315f3
Pretty sure some teachers can come up with reasoned responses and some supporting information.
here is a link.....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterg...lege-boards-sat-adversity-score/#5674a4e315f3
Pretty sure some teachers can come up with reasoned responses and some supporting information.
Another dead thread. ////
Well, Common Core is the wrong thing to seek in education. Rather than pound a simple little set of qualifying credos en masse into humans, real education develops and draws out individual genius and talent.
For a hundred years plus, the socialists ala John Dewey have been systematically robbing the world of creativity. Amazing that here in the USA we still have enough incentive economically to develop better ways of doing things. Let Education be the next thing improved.
The Chinese have never really encouraged successful entrepreneurs. A thousand years ago, the Emperor's bureaucrats drydocked the very successful shipping folks who were getting richer than the Emperor, and sank China into the dark ages. Even todays NWO favored dictatorship will spoil the fortunes of a billion plus humans.
Well, Common Core is the wrong thing to seek in education. Rather than pound a simple little set of qualifying credos en masse into humans, real education develops and draws out individual genius and talent.
For a hundred years plus, the socialists ala John Dewey have been systematically robbing the world of creativity. Amazing that here in the USA we still have enough incentive economically to develop better ways of doing things. Let Education be the next thing improved.
The Chinese have never really encouraged successful entrepreneurs. A thousand years ago, the Emperor's bureaucrats drydocked the very successful shipping folks who were getting richer than the Emperor, and sank China into the dark ages. Even todays NWO favored dictatorship will spoil the fortunes of a billion plus humans.
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US literacy rate before Dewey: 80% In the year of his death: 97.5% 20 years later: 99.4%.
I'm illiterate, I have no idea who my father is.
literacy, as a "rate", is a statist statistic. An educational system's propaganda line item, as estimated to justify their budget and programs to legislators and such. Frankly, I don't believe it.
too many people I meet on the street just can't read, or their reading is so limited it appears to be useless. Literally, hundreds of people I've come across, outta a few thousand I could ever have gotten any sensible opinion about.
Besides, it evades the essential core of my thesis about how education is better judged by the kind of thinking educators enable their students to do. My criticism of John Dewey is his socialist propaganda and socialization goals.
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I believe it refers to being able to read at a fourth-grade level, which would still be limited reading. However, I accept you would never allowed facts to disturb your opinions.
I would suggest basic literacy is essential for careful, independent thinking.
It appears to me that you accept a lot of wrong judgments of others, without thinking it through. I guess it goes with being a committed ideologue with a grand vision of a better world that can never be real, but is worth every lie it takes to try to establish it.
I discard my opinions if I see the need, based on relevant facts.
So I take it you accept without question that a measure like "a fourth-grade level" can be judged conveniently by teachers who cannot read at a second-grade level. Just sayin'. When I was in school, I thought grade level standards were actually considered in graduating a student to the next grade. And I can guarantee you kids and teachers were more at highter levels all the way through school.
All that "level" mumbo-jumbo is debatable, and the people who produce and use such statistics can adjust their standards without being questioned. We've been on that slippery slope of changing expectations as long as I've been watching it all.
The subject here is SAT scores which are being adjusted, authoritatively, on non-objective judgments and values, and you defend it without question.
BTW, how many of those 99% "literate" data points speak English, or even one of the major languages we anywhere print ballots for. And really, how much credit do we owe Dewey for the gains, if any. We had 70% literacy before we had anything more than scattered little school houses with teachers paid in produce, and now with billions spent on buildings and staff, what reading is done is essentially wasted reading sheer propaganda. Nothing like thought-provoking materails.
The fundamental philosophy behind the socialization of SAT scores is managerial..... the need to qualify more students for higher education on a current appraisal of important social agenda points. But, sad to say, it might not really be more than a cheap trick to keep SAT scores in use and not just chucked entirely in the face of managerial change agents trying to achieve their social ideals.
At any rate, either way, another objective measure has fallen in the war for social justice.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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I neither approve nor disapprove of the changes n SAT score reporting. I understand the reasoning, but it's difficult to get excited when one score representative of very little is change to another score representative of very little.
No idea, but his ideas didn't seem to hurt.
I thought we were talking about the SAT. When did that become objective?
socialists like Dewey have advocated public support, social support, political support, and tax support for education under their watchful eyes, so we should expect gains in literacy no matter how we measure such a thing, but it seems (non-objectively) reasonable to me that it has been an enormously expensive tactic..... compared to what private educational efforts used to due with practically no money.
wow 70% literacy with no public cost.
why shouldn't we expect 99% literacy from a minimal public project focused on the 3Rs. But no, we get collapsing standard expectations and gratuitous graduations and certificates for "Being There".
Which triggers me on may fav philosophy text, made into a movie, about socialist cultures totally played out in the TV-o-sphere..... including our mass-media political "reality":
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/
Education today has that same quintessentially socialist "reality".
And yah.... I remember taking the Iowa Basic Skills test in 5th grade. I was the class dunce, the son of an immensely popular college prof who had fled town in a scandalous affair with the Home Ec prof whose class was across the hall from his chemistry lab….and a couple of elementary public school teachers decided, on the basis of my test, to do a covert educational operation.
They schemed to get the border of the school territory carved around my block so I would have to go to the West Elementary for sixth grade.
Now, Mr. Graff was my 5th grade teacher, who lived on my block on the SW corner..... and Mr. Cannon was going to be my 6th grade teacher, who lived kitty corner next to the neighborhood grocery I used to rob for sweet tart straws. My family owned most of our block, so I'm sure Mr. Graff and Mr. Cannon saw me playing ranging across our huge wilderness block all the time, never studying.
But that only sweetened the pot for the teacher conspiracists. At the start of 6th grade, Mr. Cannon proudly introduced me to his class as a genius. Then he gave me the key to his classroom door and made me in charge of closing up after school, and mentioned that he would be giving awards for the best student who did his homework, even having contests in class to see who could show the best understanding of the assignment.....
I was hooked. I felt I had been singled out and honored in the highest way possible. I was trusted and bragged on...….I stayed in the classroom until I was sure I could answer any question about the assignments, so I could display my newfound genius. The "Indians" and "Robbers" lurking in the yard would just have to do without me, maybe find a new leader.
Mr. Cannon had his class bamboozled the whole year. I was the genius.
The next year, in the middle school where East and West were combined, the East crowd snickered when I wandered into the top math class. They were sure I was lost. But another public educator, a Mr. Hafen, stood up to the mockery and announced that I was the top pick for the advanced section.
maybe I shouldn't put down public education too much..... sure there are still some amazingly good teachers doing the job.
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