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An Alleged 1953 UFO Crash and Burial Near Garrison, Utah

TroutBum said:
I also agree with this, albeit taken in context. While hybrid tech isn’t anything to even raise an eyebrow at by today’s standards, it was pretty radical in 2000 when the first Prius came out. Imagine if it had come out thirty years earlier.
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Fully electric vehicles go back to the 19th century, they were outpaced by the capabilities of gasoline (and in some ways, still are). Hybrids are the result of incremental improvements in battery and charging techniques.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle
 
sirkickyass said:
Interesting WaPo article today: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...eeds-adjust-that-fact/?utm_term=.bba090f5dcbd
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I may not be the brightest bulb (or however the hell Trout put it lol) but having so many people today still deny UFO's, poke fun at those who do, or stereotype people who believe in them as Cuckoo (Koo Koo) is pretty concerning and interesting. Maybe people like to bury their heads in the sand because the idea of UFOs brings questions to which there are not many answers and the assumed answers can be scary.

The fact of the matter is UFOs do exist. Many of them can be explained. Many of them can't. I'm 100% convinced I've seen a UFO. It was not a figment of my imagination. It was not an illusion. It wasn't me misidentifying something that I just didn't know about. It was a flying object that had technology that man hasn't achieved yet. I'm not saying it was aliens cause, obviously, I don't know that. It was real though and it happened. I don't need people to believe me. There have been many who've seen UFO's and described them exactly the way I witnessed.
 
TroutBum said:
I’m not saying that anything in this post is true, and honestly, I don’t believe it is, but I can certainly say it’s possible without much hesitation. It absolutely kills me when anyone says that something is IMPOSSIBLE, but it really grinds my gears when a scientist makes that claim. (Looking at you, Dolton)

Show me a scientist who is 100% certain that something is impossible and I’ll show you a guy who will likely be eating his words in 25-50 years.
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This articulates well what I feel about it.

The fact of the matter is we know very little about space and science. We've come a long way, and it's incredible some of the discoveries we've made and achieved as a human species, but we know very little of what we can and will know if the future. Many things in science, that we think we know is wrong too.

Existence, space, life, consciousness, science, are all things we still have very little understandings of.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I'm not a physical scientist, but I'm 100% certain there's no Loch Ness monster, no Big Foot, no ghosts, no fairies, etc. I'm confident 25-50 years from now the same will be true.

This is a rather broad blanket statement.
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I don't believe in bigfoot. However, the history of reports of a large, bi-pedal creature spotted all over the world for thousands of years makes me believe there is something people are seeing and phenomena. I'm certain it's bears in most cases and DNA tests have shown this time and time again.
 
Archie Moses said:
I don't believe in bigfoot. However, the history of reports of a large, bi-pedal creature spotted all over the world for thousands of years makes me believe there is something people are seeing and phenomena. I'm certain it's bears in most cases and DNA tests have shown this time and time again.
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No problem here. People ARE seeing things. (Although I'd be my retirement there are also Bigfoot cranks manufacturing evidence for a variety of reasons.) The human tendency throughout history when observing unexplained phenomena is to attach supernatural explanations to them. Just because some people see things they can't explain rationally, I'm loathe to accept their often supernatural, or otherwise extraordinary, explanations for them.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
No problem here. People ARE seeing things. (Although I'd be my retirement there are also Bigfoot cranks manufacturing evidence for a variety of reasons.) The human tendency throughout history when observing unexplained phenomena is to attach supernatural explanations to them. Just because some people see things they can't explain rationally, I'm loathe to accept their often supernatural, or otherwise extraordinary, explanations for them.
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I feel the same. I'm not a believer in ghosts, bigfoot, Gemini signs, soothsayers, fortune tellers, demons, angels, or people who talk to the dead. I look at people who believe in that as either Santa Clause believers or people who experienced something and didn't have an explanation for it, therefore convincing themselves it was something it wasn't.

I do, however, believe in aliens, UFOs. The only other paranormal things I like reading about, learning about, or listening about would be spirit guides (out of body experiences,) interdimensional beings and activated conciousness, and for kicks and giggles anything that has to do with Skinwalker Ranch. When I read about spirit guides and interdimensions, I wonder if a lot of that stuff gets interpreted as ghosts, demons, etc.

I experienced a pretty disturbing episode of sleep paralysis about a year-and-a-half ago. I have a scientific explanation for how and why it happened. As real as it was, I don't look at it as anything else but a dream. It does make the hair on my neck stand up though when I think about my experience and being attacked by a witch (lol I know it sounds stupid - there's a thread here somewhere where I share it in detail) and then later finding out that many people have the same experience and the witch is known as the hag. Lol. There's even a wiki page about her. I've heard of sleep paralysis and it feeling like a demon sitting on your chest, or someone standing over your bed before. But I like I said, I never heard of the hag. I think a lot of people who say they were abducted by aliens really just experienced sleep paralysis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_hag

I have a close friends that says he has had out of body experiences and can almost by will. He's the type of person who's really logical about everything. He's an atheist and was raised in a really religious Christian house. Just not the person I'd ever think would say that.

I listen to music on YouTube to help me sl6 that usually has in the title out of body experience or binaural waves, etc. If you ever get bored read the comments under them. So many people think they can travel out of body. Do I believe it? No. But that's not to say they're not experiencing something.

Another thing I've been going down the rabbit hole learning about is DMT. That stuff and trips seem fascinating. I don't think I'd ever try it, but it sounds like one hell of an experience.

Thank you, Joe "DMT" Rogan.



Hehepeepeecaca
 
Archie Moses said:
Another thing I've been going down the rabbit hole learning about is DMT. That stuff and trips seem fascinating. I don't think I'd ever try it, but it sounds like one hell of an experience.
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Yeah, long standing interest of mine as well, and one reason I suspect the answer to the nature of UFOs is related to the nature of consciousness. DMT: The Spirit Molecule, featuring Rogan, is an eye opening documentary, and Dr. Strassman's research in that regard is leading edge, as far as I'm concerned:

https://www.rickstrassman.com/publications/the-spirit-molecule/

One of my nephews, he's in his late 20's now, experienced DMT via partaking in 3 ayahuasca ceremonies. This was in New Mexico, and under the guidance of a Peruvian shaman. The impression I got from listening to my nephew's accounts was that it took a lot of courage on his part to do that. Lot of Westerners are into ayahuasca tourism to South America. Not sure my heart could take it!
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
That could be but if there is a way to travel faster than the speed of life than it would seem not merely possible but very likely that we have been visited. The hallmark of intelligence is curiosity and that curiosity would lead other beings to our planet if the technology permitted this.
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Possibly, but chances are they are using their light speed, anti gravity devices to travel to much more interesting places than our barbaric world.
 
Do I believe in UFO's? Yeah, sure. There's a lot out there I don't know about.

Do I believe aliens are piloting then? No. Not even a little bit.
 
I suppose if I were to imagine a race of beings who had acquired the ability to transverse not only vast distances of space, but also time, I can imagine they may have also managed to send likely unmanned spacecraft to our planet on multiple occasions.

But, yeah, seems unlikely.
 
Archie Moses said:
I feel the same. I'm not a believer in ghosts, bigfoot, Gemini signs, soothsayers, fortune tellers, demons, angels, or people who talk to the dead. I look at people who believe in that as either Santa Clause believers or people who experienced something and didn't have an explanation for it, therefore convincing themselves it was something it wasn't.

I do, however, believe in aliens, UFOs. The only other paranormal things I like reading about, learning about, or listening about would be spirit guides (out of body experiences,) interdimensional beings and activated conciousness, and for kicks and giggles anything that has to do with Skinwalker Ranch. When I read about spirit guides and interdimensions, I wonder if a lot of that stuff gets interpreted as ghosts, demons, etc.

I experienced a pretty disturbing episode of sleep paralysis about a year-and-a-half ago. I have a scientific explanation for how and why it happened. As real as it was, I don't look at it as anything else but a dream. It does make the hair on my neck stand up though when I think about my experience and being attacked by a witch (lol I know it sounds stupid - there's a thread here somewhere where I share it in detail) and then later finding out that many people have the same experience and the witch is known as the hag. Lol. There's even a wiki page about her. I've heard of sleep paralysis and it feeling like a demon sitting on your chest, or someone standing over your bed before. But I like I said, I never heard of the hag. I think a lot of people who say they were abducted by aliens really just experienced sleep paralysis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_hag

I have a close friends that says he has had out of body experiences and can almost by will. He's the type of person who's really logical about everything. He's an atheist and was raised in a really religious Christian house. Just not the person I'd ever think would say that.

I listen to music on YouTube to help me sl6 that usually has in the title out of body experience or binaural waves, etc. If you ever get bored read the comments under them. So many people think they can travel out of body. Do I believe it? No. But that's not to say they're not experiencing something.

Another thing I've been going down the rabbit hole learning about is DMT. That stuff and trips seem fascinating. I don't think I'd ever try it, but it sounds like one hell of an experience.

Thank you, Joe "DMT" Rogan.



Hehepeepeecaca
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I had an episode of sleep paralysis. I was on a business trip asleep in my hotel room. I became semi-conscious and couldn't move and felt/saw the presence of hooded figure standing next to my bed leaning over and (it appeared) looking at me. I fell back asleep, checked my door in the morning, still locked from inside. During the whole episode, however, in my mind I understood this was not real, so I was never afraid. I did some checking, and sleep paralysis is very common, including seeing a shadowy figure in the room, sometimes even getting into bed with the sleeper. There's a natural explanation for this related to our brain and sleep. It was not a ghost, nor an evil spirit, not a phantom, but, literally, a figment of imagination.

Were this another time and/or other person, this experience would be interpreted as evidence for ghosts/spirits/etc. Such is the case for other unexplained phenomena. People can't explain it, but they want to make sense of it, so they attach meaning to it in terms they understand, not neuroscience but ghosts, spirits, phantoms, sprites, witches, etc.

The thing about 'evidences' for supernatural phenomena, is that were one to ONLY spend time reading the 'evidence' (say on a UFO or Big Foot) site, the evidence in a vacuum is very compelling, or at least appears that way. It's easy to go down rabbit holes in such cases. It's not only the unlearned who fall for this. Supernatural beliefs also attract the educated and intelligent. (There's evidence from social science experiments that smart people are particularly resistant to contrary evidence, as they are skilled at constructing post hoc arguments to defend beliefs arrived at by non-rational means.
Not to change the subject, but that's been my experience with LDS apologists, particularly related to BoM. If you read only apologist literature, it's obvious that there's a large, lost civilization in MesoAmerica that rode horses, forged steel, had wheeled vehicles, etc. Many very intelligent people have constructed complex arguments defending what mainstream science dismisses as utterly lacking in foundation. Still waiting for the first peer-reviewed academic paper presenting this evidence.)

Skepticism is almost never a bad thing. For those making extra-ordinary claims, it's perfectly reasonable and understandable to demand objectively verifiable evidence for such claims. Believers have the burden of proof, not the skeptics.
 
I had a couple of episodes of sleep paralysis and it scared me pretty bad but I didn't think it was a demon or ghost or anything.
I could see how someone else might think that though. (I'm pretty logical and generally skeptical about things like horoscopes, tarot cards, ghosts, those people that talk to your dead relatives, Bigfoot, etc)

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Archie Moses said:
I may not be the brightest bulb (or however the hell Trout put it lol) but having so many people today still deny UFO's, poke fun at those who do, or stereotype people who believe in them as Cuckoo (Koo Koo) is pretty concerning and interesting. Maybe people like to bury their heads in the sand because the idea of UFOs brings questions to which there are not many answers and the assumed answers can be scary.

The fact of the matter is UFOs do exist. Many of them can be explained. Many of them can't. I'm 100% convinced I've seen a UFO. It was not a figment of my imagination. It was not an illusion. It wasn't me misidentifying something that I just didn't know about. It was a flying object that had technology that man hasn't achieved yet. I'm not saying it was aliens cause, obviously, I don't know that. It was real though and it happened. I don't need people to believe me. There have been many who've seen UFO's and described them exactly the way I witnessed.
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Big lulz that Eenie liked this.
 
fishonjazz said:
I had a couple of episodes of sleep paralysis and it scared me pretty bad but I didn't think it was a demon or ghost or anything.
I could see how someone else might think that though. (I'm pretty logical and generally skeptical about things like horoscopes, tarot cards, ghosts, those people that talk to your dead relatives, Bigfoot, etc)

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There's different types/states of sleep paralysis. For many years I had sleep paralysis without having hallucinations. Having a visual experience only ever happened once. I did experience my bed shaking violently once and it started to heat up like an oven, but no visuals. In fact, that was my very first experience. I had just returned home from a mission and I was afraid to tell anyone about what happened (I didn't know what it was) and I thought it was something satanic. Lol

The funny thing is, usually when I get sleep paralysis, it's pretty mild. I can control how I breathe when I get it (it's weird to be locked in a dream but physically and consciously still be able to do something - I don't think a lot of people can do this) and I'll breathe in and out really fast. It makes a weird noise and I've taught my gf that if she ever hears me doing that than to shake me until I wake up. Ever since I had my freaky experience, I definitely do this instead of riding it out. If I'm sleeping in the other room (I move during sleep like I'm in wrestlemania so sometimes we don't sleep together) it kinda scares me now so I'll go sleep with her.

When I had the hallucination I was in a hotel so she couldn't wake me up gawd damn it. I can still feel the hag slapping down on the bed and missing my feet after breaking down the door and swimming through the floor.

I tend to get sleep paralysis during high times if stress.

Sleep paralysis is weird af. **** sleep paralysis. You all are lucky if you don't get it.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
What's piloting them then?
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Considering the difficulties of manned space travel I think it’s more reasonable (but still difficult) to believe UFOs are extraterrestrial in origin, but there aren’t any aliens on board. Especially because they’d have bothered to come all this way,but never bothered to announce themselves.
 
Archie Moses said:
There's different types/states of sleep paralysis. For many years I had sleep paralysis without having hallucinations. Having a visual experience only ever happened once. I did experience my bed shaking violently once and it started to heat up like an oven, but no visuals. In fact, that was my very first experience. I had just returned home from a mission and I was afraid to tell anyone about what happened (I didn't know what it was) and I thought it was something satanic. Lol

The funny thing is, usually when I get sleep paralysis, it's pretty mild. I can control how I breathe when I get it (it's weird to be locked in a dream but physically and consciously still be able to do something - I don't think a lot of people can do this) and I'll breathe in and out really fast. It makes a weird noise and I've taught my gf that if she ever hears me doing that than to shake me until I wake up. Ever since I had my freaky experience, I definitely do this instead of riding it out. If I'm sleeping in the other room (I move during sleep like I'm in wrestlemania so sometimes we don't sleep together) it kinda scares me now so I'll go sleep with her.

When I had the hallucination I was in a hotel so she couldn't wake me up gawd damn it. I can still feel the hag slapping down on the bed and missing my feet after breaking down the door and swimming through the floor.

I tend to get sleep paralysis during high times if stress.

Sleep paralysis is weird af. **** sleep paralysis. You all are lucky if you don't get it.
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Jesus. That part about the hag breaking down the door and swimming though the floor gave me the chills and made my hair stand up.

All that happened to me was I woke up and couldn't move and could feel a hand on my throat choking me. Terrifying but at least I didn't hallucinate. That would suck

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