Avery
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THT is intriguing to me, but would want him at about 220-225. He’d still be plenty big enough and add some quickness.
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THT is intriguing to me, but would want him at about 220-225. He’d still be plenty big enough and add some quickness.
He can lose 10 lbs and get down to around 225 lbs. He was at 9% body fat at the Combine. NBA training and diet can get him down to 6.5%. That will make him more explosive and probably get his vertical up to 36" or more. The kid is only 18 and can develop a lot physically from here. He's been coasting on his physical tools and talent so far. He's got a good handle and body control for a kid that size and that young.
He's a triple-threat player who can use his strength and wide body to beat smaller guards.
How would you guys rank these three guards?
Kevin Porter Jr., Keldon Johnson and Talen Horton-Tucker
Kevin Porter Jr., Keldon Johnson and Talen Horton-Tucker
Sadly you're right. I think his floor is the Thunder at 21 (or wherever they are drafting)
zyzz
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KP Jr, then a tie for the last two. Gun to my head, I'll take THT.
homeytennis
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If his mind's right, KP jr is head and shoulders above the other two and I realze that is a pretty big if. THT might become the next Dinner Bell Mel Turpin.
THT is by far the best and most willing passer. The Jazz want players who can 'create,' and THT can do that....assuming he does enough other things to get on the floor.
Avery
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Talent - KP, KJ, THT
As far as who to actually draft?
Utah - KJ, THT, KP
I think Johnson is a lottery-caliber player. THT is young with insane measurables but needs time. KP has a bad attitude and doesn’t fit our culture.
The risk with KP is that he's a ball-stopper and iso player in the mold of a Nick Young, but I haven't watched him much. I don't think he got a Green Room invitation.
Keldon Johnson is an athletic 3/D guy. He's the kind of guy the Thunder would draft to play at SG next to Russ.
zyzz
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ESPN Insider (Givony) did a new mock after the AD trade.
1. NOP - Zion
2. MEM - Ja
3. NYK - RJ
4. NOP - Culver
5. CLE - Garland
6. PHX - Coby White
7. CHI - Hunter
8. ATL - Reddish
9. WAS - Doumbouya
10. ATL - Jaxson Hayes
11. MIN - Nassir Little
12. CHA - Rui Hachimura (like everyone is mocking Rui to Charlotte)
13. MIA - PJ Washington
14. BOS - Brandon Clarke
15. DET - Romeo Langford (I see him mocked to DET a lot too)
16. ORL - Tyler Herro
17. ATL - Mfiondu Kabengele
18. IND - NAW
19. SAS - Goga Bitadze
20. BOS - Bol Bol
21. OKC - Cameron Johnson
22. BOS - Kevin Porter Jr.
23. UTA - Keldon Johnson: "With rotation wing players Kyle Korver and Thabo Sefolosha both in their mid-to-late 30s and not a great deal of depth behind them, the Jazz might consider adding another small forward they can start grooming to eventually play their style of basketball. EVP Dennis Lindsey has long valued toughness, versatility and 3-point shooting -- all strengths for Johnson. Although his struggles creating offense off the dribble caused his stock to fall somewhat, Johnson won't need to be much of a ballhandler on this team in the short term."
24. PHI - Thybulle
25. POR - Okpala (seen him mocked here a lot too)
26. CLE - Ty Jerome
27. BKN - Luguentz Dort
28. GSW- Eric Paschall
29. SAS - Darius Bazley
30. MIL - Luka Samanic
31. BKN - ? Didn't get posted but I'm gonna assume it's Nic Claxton
32. PHX - Grant Williams
33. PHI - Talen Horton-Tucker
34. PHI - Carsen Edwards
35. ATL - Dylan Windler
36. CHA - Admiral Schofield
37. DAL - Bruno Fernando
38. CHI - Isaiah Roby
39. NOP - Terence Davis
40. SAC - Daniel Gafford
41. ATL - Chuma Okeke
42. PHI - Jontay Porter
43. MIN - DaQuan Jeffries
44. ATL - Deividas Sirvydis
45. DET - Tremont Waters
46. ORL - Shamorie Ponds
47. SAC - Jordan Poole (ha Waters, Ponds, Poole)
48. LAC - Jalen Lecque
49. SAS - Naz Reid
50. IND - Louis King
51. BOS - Miye Oni
52. CHA - Zylan Cheatham
53. UTA - Justin Robinson
54. PHI - Joshua Obiesie
55. NYK - Jaylen Hoard
56. LAC - Jalen McDaniels
57. NOP - Jordan Bone
58. GSW - Alen Smailagic
59. TOR - Marcos Lousada Silva
60. SAC - Yovel Zoosman
1. NOP - Zion
2. MEM - Ja
3. NYK - RJ
4. NOP - Culver
5. CLE - Garland
6. PHX - Coby White
7. CHI - Hunter
8. ATL - Reddish
9. WAS - Doumbouya
10. ATL - Jaxson Hayes
11. MIN - Nassir Little
12. CHA - Rui Hachimura (like everyone is mocking Rui to Charlotte)
13. MIA - PJ Washington
14. BOS - Brandon Clarke
15. DET - Romeo Langford (I see him mocked to DET a lot too)
16. ORL - Tyler Herro
17. ATL - Mfiondu Kabengele
18. IND - NAW
19. SAS - Goga Bitadze
20. BOS - Bol Bol
21. OKC - Cameron Johnson
22. BOS - Kevin Porter Jr.
23. UTA - Keldon Johnson: "With rotation wing players Kyle Korver and Thabo Sefolosha both in their mid-to-late 30s and not a great deal of depth behind them, the Jazz might consider adding another small forward they can start grooming to eventually play their style of basketball. EVP Dennis Lindsey has long valued toughness, versatility and 3-point shooting -- all strengths for Johnson. Although his struggles creating offense off the dribble caused his stock to fall somewhat, Johnson won't need to be much of a ballhandler on this team in the short term."
24. PHI - Thybulle
25. POR - Okpala (seen him mocked here a lot too)
26. CLE - Ty Jerome
27. BKN - Luguentz Dort
28. GSW- Eric Paschall
29. SAS - Darius Bazley
30. MIL - Luka Samanic
31. BKN - ? Didn't get posted but I'm gonna assume it's Nic Claxton
32. PHX - Grant Williams
33. PHI - Talen Horton-Tucker
34. PHI - Carsen Edwards
35. ATL - Dylan Windler
36. CHA - Admiral Schofield
37. DAL - Bruno Fernando
38. CHI - Isaiah Roby
39. NOP - Terence Davis
40. SAC - Daniel Gafford
41. ATL - Chuma Okeke
42. PHI - Jontay Porter
43. MIN - DaQuan Jeffries
44. ATL - Deividas Sirvydis
45. DET - Tremont Waters
46. ORL - Shamorie Ponds
47. SAC - Jordan Poole (ha Waters, Ponds, Poole)
48. LAC - Jalen Lecque
49. SAS - Naz Reid
50. IND - Louis King
51. BOS - Miye Oni
52. CHA - Zylan Cheatham
53. UTA - Justin Robinson
54. PHI - Joshua Obiesie
55. NYK - Jaylen Hoard
56. LAC - Jalen McDaniels
57. NOP - Jordan Bone
58. GSW - Alen Smailagic
59. TOR - Marcos Lousada Silva
60. SAC - Yovel Zoosman
If Philly gets Thybulle, THT and Carsen Edwards, that''s an awfully nice draft for them.
Regarding Atlanta, if they take Jaxson Hayes in the top 10, I don't think they'll take a big at #17. They are also trying to move some of their picks. The Jazz should offer Tony Bradley and #53 to ATL for #44 or to PHI for #42. The Jazz could take Paschall or Brazdeikis (both of whom seem to be missing in this mock).
I don't see Nic Claxton. That's probably the guy missing at #31.
Getting guys like Gafford and Fernando in the late 30s or 40s is pretty amazing.
Regarding Atlanta, if they take Jaxson Hayes in the top 10, I don't think they'll take a big at #17. They are also trying to move some of their picks. The Jazz should offer Tony Bradley and #53 to ATL for #44 or to PHI for #42. The Jazz could take Paschall or Brazdeikis (both of whom seem to be missing in this mock).
I don't see Nic Claxton. That's probably the guy missing at #31.
Getting guys like Gafford and Fernando in the late 30s or 40s is pretty amazing.
zyzz
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Paschall is 28 to GSW in that mock
Kevin Porter Jr* > THT > KJ
With one huge asterisk - I have no idea what to think of Porter's attitude and off-field stuff... he might be in the untouchable category if our intel shows there is serious worry about attitude.
I think this review of THT is fair.
https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2019/...aft-preview-talen-horton-tucker-lacks-sizzle/
https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2019/...aft-preview-talen-horton-tucker-lacks-sizzle/
zyzz
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Sam Vecenie said he talked to KP Jr for a long time and said he's definitely not a bad kid and that he had been a model citizen since his USC suspension. But he still said that teams worry about him and that if he drafted him he would hire a player development coach from Seattle to help him transition to the NBA. Hiring someone from his city to help him out sounds kind of weird if you believe in his character though...
Right now, I think if the Jazz stay at #23, they'll draft Kab, Okpala or Bruno. Windler and Paschall are sleeper picks. Those are all rotation players and potentially starting-caliber players. If Keldon Johnson drops, the Jazz will probably take him.
It doesn't seem like they're buying in on Bazley. I'm not sure if they want to wait and develop Horton-Tucker. I'd be surprised if they draft Dort, unless he shows some hope of being able to shoot. I have no idea what they think about Claxton or Samanic. Carsen Edwards is most likely going to be a back-up, similar to Seth Curry.
It doesn't seem like they're buying in on Bazley. I'm not sure if they want to wait and develop Horton-Tucker. I'd be surprised if they draft Dort, unless he shows some hope of being able to shoot. I have no idea what they think about Claxton or Samanic. Carsen Edwards is most likely going to be a back-up, similar to Seth Curry.
Kevin Porter Jr. may be one of the two players who canceled the workout with the Jazz yesterday due to injury. KPJ just canceled his workout with the Wizards tomorrow.
Idk why we'd take Kabengele or Fernando. I know you always draft for talent over need. But realistically a backup center is like the least valuable position we could possibly draft. Gobert is playing the majority of minutes there for the foreseeable future. And decent backup 5's aren't too terribly hard to find.
It makes more sense to draft a 4 you hope can maybe develop into a good fit next to Rudy, a wing because of the value they provide (plus Jingles is no spring chicken), or a guard you hope can develop into a good fit next to Donovan.
It makes more sense to draft a 4 you hope can maybe develop into a good fit next to Rudy, a wing because of the value they provide (plus Jingles is no spring chicken), or a guard you hope can develop into a good fit next to Donovan.
Backup centers are more or less easy to find, but not good ones with upside. The Jazz could very well lose Derrick Favors and Ekpe Udoh, and Gobert could get hurt and miss some games. I think the Jazz would love to have a big who can shoot, as well as roll, rebound and rim-protect. They love having a second big who can come in and keep the defense and roll-game going. That's actually a pretty tall order. Maybe Bradley is enough, but I don't get the feeling the Jazz are happy with his development.
Again, I think the Jazz are going to be seriously tempted by Okpala, if they're on the clock at #23. It depends on whether they think he's athletic enough and can shoot well enough. If not, then they'd look at Windler and Paschall. A 6'9", 2-way wing who can break the paint is something they don't have on their roster.