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Tobias Harris wants to come to utah

Marcus Morris is the answer. We need to guard Lebron and other than LEonard, M Morris is the best defender against LEbron the past 5 seasons
 
jom2003 said:
Yeah sad but true. Right now is literally the worst time to trade Exum as his value can't possibly get any lower. All we can do at this point is hope he recovers.
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The problem with that, however, is that if he shows any kind of glimmer, our hopes for him are resurrected (no pun intended) and because of sunk cost fallacy, we then would refuse to sell when the stock is high(er). It’s not a matter of selling high or selling low — it’s a matter of cutting losses and opportunity cost. And if it’s not salary that’s costing us opportunity, it’s our infatuation with him that’s costing us opportunity. For instance, it’s possible that our infatuation with him cost us Crowder.
 
Piso wrote the info below in Portis thread and I’m wondering how this data and Darkwing Duck’s “facts” are not making case for favors so much clearer.

It’s either
Harris
OR
Favors Exum, portis

Which do you take?

Piso’s post:
TPA/BPM 2018-19
OPA (Offensive points added) + DPS (Defensive Points saved) = TPA (Total points added)

Bobby Portis : OPA : -32.57 ; DPS : -46.80 ; TPA : -79.37 ; OBPM : -1.2 ; DBPM : -1.7 ; BPM : -2.9 : end of rotation
Jabari Parker : OPA : -54.51 ; DPS : -20.05 ; TPA : -74.56 ; OBPM : -1.5 ; DBPM : -0.5 ; BPM : -2.1 : end of rotation
Nikola Mirotic : OPA : 30.70 ; DPS : -30.47 ; TPA : 0.23 ; OBPM : 1.2 ; DBPM : -1.2 ; BPM : 0 : 6th man/starter
Thaddeus Young : OPA : 40.70 ; DPS :106.82 ; TPA : 147.52 ; OBPM : 0.8 ;DBPM : 2.1 ; BPM : 2.9 : solid starter
Tobias Harris : OPA : 64.51 ; DPS : -20.16 ; TPA : 44.35 ; OBPM : 1.1 ; DBPM : -0.6 ; BPM : 0.5 : starter
Derrick Favors : OPA : 40.59 ; DPS :118.09 ; TPA : 158.68 ; OBPM : 1.1 ;DBPM : 3.2 ; BPM : 4.3 : solid starter
 
I'm one of Favors' biggest supporters on this site. I'd let him go if it nets us Harris, but not for most of the other option out there, including Portis.
 
All of the impact stats--BPM (Favs +4.1 vs. Harris +.5) & RPM (Favs +2.3 vs. Harris +1.63)--say that Favors was the better player last year. That's in a season where Harris had probably the best shooting stretch of his career. The Clippers won at a .545 rate prior to the trade and a .666 rate after letting Harris go.

Harris seems like a good dude and is a slightly above average player. There's essentially no chance of getting excess value out of a Tobias Harris max deal. You don't win championships by giving the Tobias Harris/DeMar Derozans/Khris Middletons of the world $30MM+, particularly when you need to sacrifice depth/attach assets for the "privilege" of overpaying them.
 
There’s a reason the Sixers fans I know don’t want him back at the max or even too close to it. 25M per. That’s the ceiling of his worth.
 
idiot said:
If you're going to use a stat like this, please do it properly. DRPM scores always average much lower for PGs. Conley is (barely) in the upper half of PGs by this measure, while Tobias sits at about the lower 1/3 of PFs (which is where he should be categorized).

I share some concern that Conley isn't the defender he's often made out to be, but relatively speaking this stat shows he's better than Tobias. You know who's really good though (both absolutely and relatively?): Favors.
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I agree, my main point was Conley is tiny and is not going to be some massive disrupting force on the perimeter.
 
It's really impossible to know whether Harris's ability to space the floor for Mitchell & Co. would be more valuable to the Jazz than Favors's pick-n-roll/inside game/rim protection/back-up-5 strengths until we actually make the switch. From the For What It's Worth Department, Favors has had NetRtgs of +21 and +15 each of the last two seasons, and put up some eye-popping numbers this past season: 123.7 ORtg (7th), 102.6 DRtg (6th), .215 Win Shares/48 (19th), +4.3 Box Plus/Minus (18th). While Tobias can score the ball, his ORtg is actually LESS than Favors by a wide margin: 114 ORtg, and his 111 DRtg is BELOW league average (NetRtg of +3 is fine, but not great). So the question remains whether Harris would create enough benefit in terms of offensive chemistry, execution, and efficiency to offset the loss of everything Favors brings to the table. I honestly don't know. I'm torn.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya I mean Conley went from being a dude no one really talked about 2 years ago to the perfect player with no weaknesses that's going to fix everything about the offense and get us a top 2 seed.

The koolaid does taste good though.

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I never said perfect. Please. But he is at least average at every single facet of the game.

And if people weren't talking about him 2 years ago, that's on them. He's been very good for a long time.
 
Bobby Portis and J Green or Favors. Not a tough decision if it's really available. If it's not and Tobias is indeed available, you take that option as #2. Re upping with Favors should be about #9 on any list.

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RandyForRubio said:
A lot of people here don't pay attention to any basketball outside of the Jazz.

3 years ago Conley signed the biggest NBA contract, but people weren't talking about him.
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A lot of people here dont pay attention to the Eastern Conference teams as well. He did slip to the #56 pick in our current players draft this last year, which is crazy. But he also had an injury concerns.

But we also havent talked about him much because no one thought he would be available until recently.
 
If you want to maximize Mitchell’s, Gobert’s, and Conley’s ability to attack the rim, Harris makes the Jazz starting unit unstoppable. Having a 3pt threat at the four is Warrior territory offense because he cannot be left alone on the arc.

The trade off is that we lose Favors’ pick-n-roll minutes in the second unit. The only legit backup that we retain is O’Neale, and we have to hope that we can sign a useful vet or two for the minimum.

If Harris really wants to come here, I say do it. Snyder can stagger Conley and Mitchell, and our starting/ending units would be killer.

Neither Harris nor Favors maximize the salary that they will be paid, but it is probably better err on the side of a really good complementary starting five.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
lmao wut? No one talked about him?
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No one on jazz fans really talked about wanting to acquire him.
For instance, I saw WAY more posts about getting jrue holiday than I ever did about Conley. Way way way more.
More about Dennis Schroeder. Hell even more about that dude for Detroit (Reggie Jackson I think). And more about collison too.
Just not many people on jazzfanz were ever posting about wanting Conley.

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RandyForRubio said:
A lot of people here don't pay attention to any basketball outside of the Jazz.

3 years ago Conley signed the biggest NBA contract, but people weren't talking about him.
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I was talking about jazz fanz posting about wanting guys for the jazz. His name hardly ever came up.

Even when just talking bball in general on this site his name rarely came up. Way more posts about Marc gasol than Conley for example. I see lots of discussion about Westbrook, harden, Durant, curry, cp3, Paul George, Kyrie, kahwi, AD...... Hell even scrubs like lonzo get talked about more.


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fishonjazz said:
No one on jazz fans really talked about wanting to acquire him.
For instance, I saw WAY more posts about getting jrue holiday than I ever did about Conley. Way way way more.
More about Dennis Schroeder. Hell even more about that dude for Detroit (Reggie Jackson I think). And more about collison too.
Just not many people on jazzfanz were ever posting about wanting Conley.
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I think age and salary had more to do with that stuff than Conley’s ability. Add his past injury issues combined with (what was expected to be) an exorbitant cost to acquire him, and it makes sense that fans would be more interested in “more realistic” options.

The fact that it happened can’t be overlooked though. It’s a great move if he provides the leadership and scoring support that he’s expected to.

Risky? Absolutely. But still a great move.
 
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