I still think all you people ripping Exum are wrong. I believe in him just like the FO. I believe he has proven he can be a difference maker, both on defense and getting to the hoop. So far he has been a terrible return on investment, but holding on to him is the right move. I believe he can play a few years with no major injuries, even though that hasn't been true. He can't possibly continue to be unlucky.
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I stopped reading after this since I disagree with that.
He has shown at least two skills he is great at in the NBA. First is his defense. He can guard 3 positions very well and switches well.
He has also shown he can get to the rim at all elite level.
Can he add more to that? Hopefully he has shown plenty of flashes of that and was starting to do things consistently.
Oh, he has also been in the top half of pgs in the NBA as the ball handler in the pick and roll.
For the record I think the hate on Exum on this board has gone way overboard. It's kind of ridiculous to be fair. It's not like he goes out there and on purpose tears ligaments and breaks bones... He's had ****** luck throughout his career which has hampered his development. At this point he's probably missed way too much developmental time and has suffered way too much damage to ever become what he could have become had he stayed healthy, but lets hope he gets back and stays healthy, because with the pathetic depth we will have this season we will need him to provide important minutes for this team and he will almost certainly be on the team so you better get used to cheering him on.
Justin Zanik says the Jazz are going to be aggressive in free agency, but they really can't be if they only have the MLE to work with. I think there's probably another trade that's yet to go down that will open up space. I'm guessing people just can't talk about it until July.
I think what he means is - we will explore options in the 16-19M range and if we like what we can have better than Favors we might make the move. I don't think being aggressive means something outlandish like the things people here are dreaming about.
Good post. His situation is similar to Alec Burks, imo. He's a guy with upside who has had unfortunate injuries. He thrives in an up-tempo, positionless type of game, and it wouldn't take much for him to keep improving his jumper and finishing at the rim. He's already a pretty elite perimeter defender. There's not really much downside with him. If he's healthy, he fits in our 7-man rotation.
I'm not sure. I think the Jazz are doing cost-benefit analysis on scenarios with Danilo Gallinari and Tobias Harris. I think the Jazz are going to have an exploratory conversation with Khris Middleton's agent. Favors' contract is clearly designed to move in a trade or to open up cap space. They'd have to move Exum as well, to open up $26M, but they could do it if they're properly motivated.
Is it really bad luck if you’re just fragile/injury prone?
He can be the best player ever and if he can’t stay on the court it doesn’t matter.
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Dude is made of glass. This is flat out not his fault in any capacity. Dude has had **** luck in dealing with injuries. Unfortunately, he may never reach that potentials the FO and others see in him. I hope I am wrong.
Regardless, he is injury prone and his contract is albatrossing the organization. It is what it is.
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Pretty much... I think the chances of keeping Favs are about 80% right now. I think there is a 10% chance we guarantee his salary for an immediate trade (likely into someone's space) and 10% chance we just waive him. If Vucevic stays I think a few teams will be looking for a center. Hopefully Orlando does their work early and keeps him and the market for Favs starts to move quickly.
You can be aggressive and still get nothing done... that line has been used a lot. I think we are shopping in the 4.8M range for a stretch 4 or big wing.
The other thing it gives us is a little leverage. Say we like Niko or Aminu, but don't 15M like them... you go negotiate and see if you can get them for 10M a year and if they say no you can have Favs as the fallback option. We have a few days to kick tires, but don't have pressure that might lead us to offering 17M a year for someone we later regret.
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It isn't bad luck... the shoulder injury was bad luck as it was a contact injury where a guy did something super dumb... the other injuries happened on routine non-contact plays. He's injury prone.
It depends on who the Jazz can get. If the Jazz can get Tobias or Khris Middleton to agree to sign, they'll move Favors and Exum to accommodate. But it would take something close to that level of FA signing to get them to move on from Favors.
I think the chance the Jazz keep Favors is more like 50% - 60%.
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Hmm... fair enough. Like was said, he is injury prone and it is what it is. I hope this is just getting it all out the way so he can be an ironman the rest of his career. Dude is a nice enough guy.
Plenty of athletes have had a slew of injuries due to things and came back just fine and healthy. Well Exum? Who knows, hopefully.
There is no scientific evidence to back up injuries continuing for him at a higher rate then others. Having injuries doesn't increase your chance of getting a new injury if you have recovered from old ones. I'm fact often it lowers your chance due to the rehab and strength and conditioning programs they go through.
There is no scientific evidence to back up injuries continuing for him at a higher rate then others. Having injuries doesn't increase your chance of getting a new injury if you have recovered from old ones. I'm fact often it lowers your chance due to the rehab and strength and conditioning programs they go through.
Middleton is getting maxed out... by MKE if they are smart. If they don't max him out/give him what he wants they better start fielding calls for Giannis right away because they will lose him when he's FA.
Tobias Harris is a pipe dream. We cannot sign him. he's getting maxed out by sombody. The absolute max we can get for him(if we waive/trade everybody for capspace except for Conley, Mitchell, Ingles and Gobert) is $28,712,379.00 and his max starts at 32.7... that's 4M difference on just the starting salary. He's not coming to Utah for 20M less than he can get elsewhere. The only chance is for him to want to come to Utah and for PHI to want to do a SnT for Favors and Exum+Bradley for example...
If not for the most recent injury I'd argue with you. But I'm having to start accepting the injury prone reality. Then again, maybe he'll grow out of it...
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Jeebus peeples… we don't have that kind of space and the path to get there is tough... almost impossible. Those guys won't turn down max money to come here.
I think we can get meetings with dudes like Bojan, Niko, Rudy Gay, Aminu, Lamb, Danny Green... but the max guys are out of our price range. Maybe a few guys that unexpectedly become unrestricted.
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If that's true then Exum should play like 1000 straight games so that is good news.
Some dudes just aren't built for NBA basketball. While I agree injuries are somewhat random there have been many dudes that just can't stay on the floor.
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Remember Steph's ankles and Tim Duncan's knees turning to dust? There are plenty of examples of "injury prone" players turning out OK, especially as they grow into their adult bodies. I think the Jazz have been very, very cautious with Exum, which I appreciate. I'm not going to fault them for that.