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We signed Emmanuel Mudiay

I am team Exum for sure. The kid has some elite attributes. Quick as a deer, long and a good passer. He has to learn to shoot better and stay healthy. I think with the added shooting he will really be able to play to his strengths. And I think he is our best wing defender.

All that being said I am glad we added another big athletic guard.
 
Jazz4ever said:
We don't know the real opinion of the FO. The Jazz considered Favors a part of the plan and wanted to bring him back....until they found a better option!
The same will hold true for Exum, especially now that the Jazz are a little cash strapped. If Mudiay is better than Exum at 2 million a year, why wouldn't you look to scuttle a player making 12m a year?
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He's not making 12 a year.
 
Exum is our best perimeter defender, he can get into the lane, and is still really athletic.

Again, best perimeter defender. You don't just toss that guy out.
 
RandyForRubio said:
Idk. When it carries over to people booing him at a SL game, that's pretty trashy. The fans need to be better than that.

Criticism is fine, especially when it's valid, but booing a current player? Trash.
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We don’t agree on much, but we certainly agree on that.
 
Shad said:
Holy crap. This year is by far the best offseason I've ever seen. I am so stoked for this year. We found our exum replacement for cheap. Now we just need to get exum off the books and have Emmanuel take his spot permanently.
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No way is Mudiay a replacement for X. No ****ing way.


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Utesnjazz said:
I am team Exum for sure. The kid has some elite attributes. Quick as a deer, long and a good passer. He has to learn to shoot better and stay healthy. I think with the added shooting he will really be able to play to his strengths. And I think he is our best wing defender.

All that being said I am glad we added another big athletic guard.
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This post could’ve been made in 2015 and would still ring true.
 
Is Mudiay a mouth breather? Can he run up the court more than twice without bending over? Even more importantly, does he have good balance? Inquiring minds wanna know.
 
Et tu Brute said:
Man Exum is really hated around these parts now.
Do people just resent him cause of his contract, bustability (increasing in likelihood) and injuries etc?
Cause the kid seems like about as down to earth, humble and hardworking as you can get and every second fan on hear ****s all over him at every opportunity.

I really believe there are some on here that really would be shattered if he proved to be an effective role player or better.
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Id gladly eat my crow.
 
So it got tougher for X, he has to fight for minutes. Remember, he was starting on his first season in the NBA and doing fine too especially defensively. Not sure if he'll stay and if he does, how many minutes he'll get. They added MEM's franchise player in Conley first, and then surprisingly brought Mudiay in. Then there is this JWF dude everyone is talking about.

Most people want Utah to trade X away for a bag of chips. Well, they've kept him so far. Is it about the lack of offers; his poor, perhaps negative value or DL still believes in him? It's certainly not Coach Q's decision lol. Perhaps will be traded too so Utah can sign another. But it's usually not a good idea to trade away an undervalued kid with tons of talent and upside.
 
candrew said:
Locke has proposed that this pick-up is an opportunity for The Jazz to try to reinvent Exum as a 2/3 slasher.

Might not be the worst idea in the world.
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Yeah, it has become obvious that the Jazz see Exum as a wing rather than a point guard.
 
candrew said:
Locke has proposed that this pick-up is an opportunity for The Jazz to try to reinvent Exum as a 2/3 slasher.

Might not be the worst idea in the world.
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Mudiay also isn’t a natural pg... I think he’s a scoring ball handler. It would be good to get one more guy that can really run the offense.
 
Et tu Brute said:
Man Exum is really hated around these parts now.
Do people just resent him cause of his contract, bustability (increasing in likelihood) and injuries etc?
Cause the kid seems like about as down to earth, humble and hardworking as you can get and every second fan on hear ****s all over him at every opportunity.

I really believe there are some on here that really would be shattered if he proved to be an effective role player or better.
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There are maybe 1-2 people here who hate Exum. The rest of us would rather move on, which people view the same as hating, I guess. It's not Exum himself. It's that with the current dynamics he represents an opportunity cost and we're continuing down this path because of a sunk cost fallacy.

Look, I wasn't huge on the Exum draft. I saw him as someone who was quick and athletic but didn't seem to have specific skill, which JFC gets really excited about any time they see it (Saer Sene, Jeremy Evans, etc.). Despite that, I have no beef with the pick, and it was the obvious pick. When we moved back from 3 to 5 our destiny was sealed. It was looking like we'd get Aaron Gordon, who I also wasn't excited about but whatever. It is what it is. Then Orlando took Gordon and Exum was the obvious choice. Not exactly the way we saw all our tanking efforts ending. We closed his rookie season strong and he started and played good D, so I was hopeful. Then he was injured. Then he came back and wasn't getting burn. We passed on picking up DWill off waivers to "clear the path" for Exum, then he was being benched for Mack, who sucked, and I disagreed with that. If we were going to pass on DWill to give Exum burn, don't play Mack. He would have occasional flashes where he'd drive the lane, but this was few and far between. He didn't get burn (I think we should have given more burn to prevent us from being in this exact situation we're in), and he kept being injured. Obviously that's not his fault. He's shown some flashes of really good D on very limited sample sizes in the playoffs against Harden. People are knocking guys like Caruso for getting hyped by their limited sample size while at the same time rationalizing continued sunk cost when Exum's highs seriously have similar sample sizes.

The truth is, IDGAF about Mudiay. Very meh signing for me. But I think there's a very important lesson to be had here. Mudiay was a #7 pick. He had a lot of hype. He averaged 12 ppg as a rookie and 11 ppg as a sophomore. Despite that, Denver traded him for Devin Harris and a second round pick. He averaged 15 ppg last year. Despite that, NYK didn't look at him and say "he was drafted 7th and he's still got untapped potential." No. They let him walk. Nobody around the league is looking at him and seeing #7 pick and potential after four seasons. Literally nobody. He just got a minimum contract. That's where his value is. Does this sound familiar? The Jazz are taking a very different approach with Exum when NBA history is riddled with these cases. Because of a familiarity bias we are prone to overvalue Exum far above and beyond what anybody else would. We certainly don't overvalue the Exum of other teams because we don't have that same familiarity. If Exum were waived today, what's his market? Nobody here is clamoring for Elfrid Payton or even Mudiay, yet those are two guys who have done more than Exum has thus far and are very similar players.

Jabari Parker was drafted second the same year Exum was drafted. He's also had unfortunate injuries that have limited his career. He's a former 20 ppg scorer. For as good as Exum is on defense, Jabari is as good on offense, and for as bad as Jabari is on defense, Exum is as bad on offense. Despite investing a #2 draft pick in him, Milwaukee let him sign elsewhere. The Wizards aren't factoring in that he's a former #2 pick when they're going to let him sign elsewhere. How much money is he going to get in free agency this year? My guess is that it nowhere approximates $20M over two years.

So, really, I have two questions:

1) Is it irrational for people to consider this an opportunity cost and want to move on at this point?

2) If people are wanting to move on, does that equate to hate?
 
RandyForRubio said:
Are you kidding me? Mudiay is a sieve defensively. Exum is actually, good. Good enough that good players do worse against him. View attachment 7563
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I've seen this posted a few times. Not questioning that he's not good on D, but this graph is very scant on details. What's the sample size and total minutes of this? Do we know that or does the graph just look good? There are 5 guys on this.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
This post could’ve been made in 2015 and would still ring true.
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Mostly agree.

But even that description was done with rose colored glasses. No mention of his shaky ball handling. But “Work on his shooting?” Yeah... but his finishing ability sucks too. It’s not like he’s a young Russell Westbrook that just needs to develop a consistent 3 point jumper but has a good midrange game and is devastating in the paint. He can’t shoot from the outside, midrange, off the dribble l, and struggles to finish in the paint.

Really, he’s a complete liability on the offensive end and has been for 5 years.

I’m really unsure as to why a few people on here think that people are being haters for wanting to move on from this guy who is taking up valuable cap and roster space for a player who could contribute.
 
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