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What type of candidate can beat Trump?

The Thriller said:
Yep. Definitely comparable. I remember when:

Reagan: “So then Gorbachov sent me a beautiful letter. A love letter! Saying nice things about me. Many nice things. I know you don’t hear many nice things about me because of the media the fake news media CNN and The NY Times the enemy of the people who lie about me colluding with Iran which is fake news you know who really colluded with Iran? Walter Mondale and the FBI and their gang of angry democrats colluded with Iran and everyone thought Mondale would win all the polls said he’d win but we won.

So we sent love letters and me and Gorbachov fell in love! We fell in love!

It would be an honor to meet with him at the Berlin Wall. Can I shake his hand?”



#1 No past president has pandered to a dictator, like trump is doing on a regular basis. In just the past 72 hours trump has:

A. Made a joke out of Putin’s election interference.
B. Threw our intelligence community under the bus by again denying that MBS killed journalist Jamaal Kashoggi.
C. Accomplished zero with China. Indications are they’re holding firm against us in the trade war.
D. Giving Kim propaganda for his people to consume while accomplishing zero for our safety.

Let’s analyze what Trump has said recently about Kim, shall we?

He said that he and Kim were, “Falling in love.” He’s called him a “great leader.” He even expressed a desire to run the USA like Kim does NK.



That’s ****ing insane. Republicans would’ve impeached Obama in the afternoon and lynched Him before the senate could convict by dinner if he had done something similar.

If you think Trump’s pandering is anywhere in the same solar system as Kennedy and Kruschev or Reagan and Gorbachov, then you’re hopelessly lost.

#2 Previous presidents used these meetings to promote an agenda that benefitted the United States. How have these meetings benefited us? We’re on what... our third Kim/Donald date, and what has been accomplished?

So no... the comparisons of Trump getting on all 4s and opening up wide for Kim isn’t even close to Reagan and Gorbachev negotiating for the INF Treaty (something trump has now trashed, to Putin’s delight).
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Hey Thriller
Remember how Obama hid the picture with him and the Jew hater Farrakhan, while he was in office, and didn't he try to interfere in the Israeli elections! Thriller how about CNN, who you love, giving the debate questions to Killary. You liberals own the high ground don't you. LOL
 
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Red said:
Yes, you are right. It is the politicization of the 4th of July. It is completely partisan. You see, to Trump, anybody who doesn't love Trump, does not love America. He is deliberately making anybody who does not appreciate him feel as if they do not belong.

And how partisan is it? The guy who ran as an opponent of elites has set up a VIP area at his event for Republican donors. Tickets were given to the Republican National Committee to distribute to Trump loyalists.

But it is not, as you claim, designed to piss off those who hate the United States. It's for those who do not love him, and he equates himself with the state.

Trump is an authoritarian nationalist. You can find many examples of such leaders. Like Putin. Like Kim. Like Trump. Like leaders from the 20th century. And like the people who supported those earlier leaders, you put your authoritarian above the country, just as Trump himself does. And you are too blind to see any of this.

Tickets for the VIP area were distributed only to the Republican National Committee, and the Trump Reelection Committee.

And you, you yourself, in your first comment above, talk about the "50% of the country that still loves America". YOU PROVE MY POINT: You are stating the belief that if one does not love Trump, one does not love America! You are a clown!

You actually have the balls to suggest if one does not support Trump, one hates the United States. Do you not see what you are saying? HOW DARE YOU, SIR? HOW DARE YOU? And I direct the same question to Trump. How dare he?

Get it? Of course you don't.

ON INDEPENDENCE DAY, ONLY TRUMP LOVERS ARE TREATED SPECIAL. Even on this day, of all days, he divides us. Love Trump, you are a true American. Don't love Trump. You don't love America. I would not expect his actual speech to be overtly partisan. But, that's not the point, as Greg Sargent points out:

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2019/07/03/greg-sargent-trumps/

"The authoritarian nationalist leader typically rewrites the story of the nation in his own image. Our own homegrown authoritarian nationalist has proved particularly devoted to this fusion of national mythmaking and self-hagiography, often delivered in his own unique language of crass, gaudy spectacle.

The historians tell us that this is what authoritarian nationalists do. As Harvard's Jill Lepore puts it, they replace history with tried-and-true fictions - false tales of national decline at the hands of invented threats, melded to fictitious stories of renewed national greatness, engineered by the leader himself, who is both author of the fiction and its mythic hero.

This is what we will be seeing in one form or another on the Fourth of July, no matter what President Donald Trump says in his planned Independence Day speech from the Lincoln Memorial. The very act of taking over the proceedings in the manner he has cooked up itself accomplishes this feat."
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So, his whole speech was dedicated to our awesome military and how great America is. Do you wish to apologize?
 
I think democrats are playing a really bad game right now. Strategy is awful,

Democrats are seen as people with toxic PC culture, identity politics, ****** patriots.

Instead democrats need to focus healthcare for all but focus on making sure american citizens come first. Trump is playing these fools like a fiddle right now.....its embarrassing to watch the clown-show that has been assembled. Id consider my self a democrat but that **** show of line a up we currently have is a joke.
 
1. One with poise who won’t seem flustered or upset with his antics
2. One who can challenge him with questions he can’t answer and intelligently answer tough questions him or herself.
3. Being African-American would help greatly

My wife liked Corey Booker but from my friends who taught in Newark, they say he’s a ****ing idiot. How was Kamala Harris last week? Heard she was solid.
 
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Hey Thriller
Remember how Obama hid the picture with him and the Jew hater Farrakhan, while he was in office, and didn't he try to interfere in the Israeli elections! Thriller how about CNN, who you love, giving the debate questions to Killary. You liberals own the high ground don't you. LOL
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What’s up Dutch?
 
NPC D4617 said:
Stop pretending that you aren't a Democrat. Its weird.

You know, walk like a duck, quack like a duck. That thing.
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Not every conservative is as gullible as you are.

But go on painting every non-lemming as a Democrat.

Laughing at you remains highly entertaining.
 
Et tu Brute said:
Only a celebrity.... Oprah, Clooney. Heck even Alec Baldwin.
These dems are going to get smashed.
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If that's true then let's just fold up shop and call it a good run. I don't want to be ruled by daytime talk show hosts and reality TV stars. That doesn't make any sense at all.

Regan at least explored state politics before taking on the role of President.

Working in the federal government actually requires skills that are pretty specific to the task. Trump doesn't have them. Oprah doesn't have them. George "pretty boy" Clooney doesn't have them.

Anyone who wants to be lead by a celebrity based on that factor to a large degree is a disgustingly stupid person.
 
Gameface said:
If that's true then let's just fold up shop and call it a good run. I don't want to be ruled by daytime talk show hosts and reality TV stars. That doesn't make any sense at all.

Regan at least explored state politics before taking on the role of President.

Working in the federal government actually requires skills that are pretty specific to the task. Trump doesn't have them. Oprah doesn't have them. George "pretty boy" Clooney doesn't have them.

Anyone who wants to be lead by a celebrity based on that factor to a large degree is a disgustingly stupid person.
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Yeah I think you're overating political experience.
Life experience, an actual vision, a 'theology' of worldview and fundamental values... That is more important than the skills you are talking about.

You wanna know why Trump will win again ... it's not cause of who he is. That only enabled him the spotlight to share what he stood for. His message and views defending western civilisation and the crisis of confidence it faces in light of left-wing extremism and zealots from overseas are the reasons he won and will win again.
 
Et tu Brute said:
Yeah I think you're overating political experience.
Life experience, an actual vision, a 'theology' of worldview and fundamental values... That is more important than the skills you are talking about.

You wanna know why Trump will win again ... it's not cause of who he is. That only enabled him the spotlight to share what he stood for. His message and views defending western civilisation and the crisis of confidence it faces in light of left-wing extremism and zealots from overseas are the reasons he won and will win again.
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What life experience does being a celebrity give you?

I'll tell you what it gives you, a very unrealistic idea of what life is really like for the vast majority of people you seek to lead.

Being a celebrity is NOT a qualification for being a politician. In fact it is probably negatively qualifying. Celebrities are probably the worst possible choice to be our leaders.
 
Gameface said:
What life experience does being a celebrity give you?

I'll tell you what it gives you, a very unrealistic idea of what life is really like for the vast majority of people you seek to lead.

Being a celebrity is NOT a qualification for being a politician. In fact it is probably negatively qualifying. Celebrities are probably the worst possible choice to be our leaders.
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Man. Are you misunderstanding me intentionally or have I made it unclear?

The celebrity provides the intial impetus and spotlight. A celebrity has the capacity in the media saturated world to have a soapbox that doesn't need to be earned. It exists as part of their celebrity.

If that celebrity then uses that position to turn 'fandom' and curiosity into a deep connection with the electorate - they can win.

It's not the only way to win. But in an era of 'draining political swamps' and congressional and MSM approval ratings in the 20s - you can see why the 'celebrities' you decry are more than capable of attaining the 'trust' of the masses.
 
Et tu Brute said:
Man. Are you misunderstanding me intentionally or have I made it unclear?

The celebrity provides the intial impetus and spotlight. A celebrity has the capacity in the media saturated world to have a soapbox that doesn't need to be earned. It exists as part of their celebrity.

If that celebrity then uses that position to turn 'fandom' and curiosity into a deep connection with the electorate - they can win.

It's not the only way to win. But in an era of 'draining political swamps' and congressional and MSM approval ratings in the 20s - you can see why the 'celebrities' you decry are more than capable of attaining the 'trust' of the masses.
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I think it will be the downfall of our great nation if that's the path we take.

Liberal celebrities are no better than conservative celebrities in this regard.
 
Gameface said:
If that's true then let's just fold up shop and call it a good run. I don't want to be ruled by daytime talk show hosts and reality TV stars. That doesn't make any sense at all.

Regan at least explored state politics before taking on the role of President.

Working in the federal government actually requires skills that are pretty specific to the task. Trump doesn't have them. Oprah doesn't have them. George "pretty boy" Clooney doesn't have them.

Anyone who wants to be lead by a celebrity based on that factor to a large degree is a disgustingly stupid person.
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I wish I had something stronger than a "Like" and a quote to offer. I wasn't fond of Reagan, Bush, or Bush, but they were qualified to be President and had done the hard work of learning statecraft.
 
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