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I just wanted to point out that in his interview with David Locke Mudiay said that Conley was speaking to him before he signed with the Jazz. And that conversations with Conley were very influential in bringing him over.

Conley brought Green, Davis, and Mudiay. Him being on the team was probably also huge for Bogdanovic.

Getting free agents to finally come to SLC is obviously a culmination of things (new facilities, Gobert’s defense, success of team, and more) but Conley’s recruiting is awesome. It makes me hopeful that in 5-10 years Donovan Mitchell will be able to do the same thing. That means the Jazz could be good for a while.


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Yeah, from what's been said Conley is a big reason for a lot that happened, and the Jazz must have had an idea of what getting him could mean because Tony Jones reported Conley was the #1 target for the Jazz the whole time. He's a good player, well respected, and obviously good at getting guys to want to play with him. I think most people assume Donovan's the reason a lot of this happened but the Jazz FO trading for Conley was probably the biggest plus this offseason. Although I think reports of their being mutual interest from guys like Tobias Harris and DLo had to do more with Donovan. Jazz have an attractive team at the moment, with good guys and a good culture, I hope it lasts a long time.
 
Conley recruits, he is definitely a factor. Players love him and respect him, that's why they desire playing with him.
 
It makes a big difference if someone's easy to play with and be around. I thought it was funny that he won both the Teammate of the year award and the Sportsmanship award right after the trade was announced. No question we got the right guy for our program - as a leader, a teammate and a recruiter. Funny how guys like Lebron, Kyrie and Paul seem to be getting reputations that are just the opposite - moody and hard to play with. If Snyder can keep from screwing things up, I can really see us being very, very good!
 
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It makes a big difference if someone's easy to play with and be around. I thought it was funny that he won both the Teammate of the year award and the Sportsmanship award right after the trade was announced. No question we got the right guy for our program - as a leader, a teammate and a recruiter. Funny how guys like Lebron, Kyrie and Paul seem to be getting reputations that are just the opposite - moody and hard to play with. If Snyder can keep from screwing things up, I can really see us being very, very good!
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Of all the things I’m worried about possibly going wrong this year, Snyder screwing things up is dead last on my list.
 
Release the Kraken said:
It makes a big difference if someone's easy to play with and be around. I thought it was funny that he won both the Teammate of the year award and the Sportsmanship award right after the trade was announced. No question we got the right guy for our program - as a leader, a teammate and a recruiter. Funny how guys like Lebron, Kyrie and Paul seem to be getting reputations that are just the opposite - moody and hard to play with. If Snyder can keep from screwing things up, I can really see us being very, very good!
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While I agree with your post, sometimes I wonder...

Sure it's great that the Jazz have good citizens on the team. But would it be better to win a championship? I guess this could be a completely different thread. But does it matter if MJ didn't like Scottie Pippen? They have six rings! (That might not be the best example, I think they got along)

Last year our time was very likable on a personal level, but they lost in the first round of the playoffs...
 
To answer my own thought, I guess I want a combination of both. I’d prefer a likable team, but I’d be okay with a Draymond Green on the roster.

I just get worried that the Jazz will have to move Joe Ingles at the trade deadline to get their final piece (like the Raptors did to get Gasol). Would a championship be as fun if the team is a bunch of one year rentals. I guess Toronto is soaking it up, but to me it wouldn’t be as enjoyable because Kawhi was only there one year.


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JFFR said:
To answer my own thought, I guess I want a combination of both. I’d prefer a likable team, but I’d be okay with a Draymond Green on the roster.

I just get worried that the Jazz will have to move Joe Ingles at the trade deadline to get their final piece (like the Raptors did to get Gasol). Would a championship be as fun if the team is a bunch of one year rentals. I guess Toronto is soaking it up, but to me it wouldn’t be as enjoyable because Kawhi was only there one year.


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I think having a strong culture allows you picking up someone who has an attitude or character issues. Like Chicago or SAS with Rodman. My idea on that guy would have been Marcus Morris.

Anyway, regarding your final piece guy, I think someone like Otto Porter. Not necessarily saying he’s available, but this lineup would be unstoppable:

Conley
Mitchell
Bojan
Porter
Gobert
 
JFFR said:
While I agree with your post, sometimes I wonder...

Sure it's great that the Jazz have good citizens on the team. But would it be better to win a championship? I guess this could be a completely different thread. But does it matter if MJ didn't like Scottie Pippen? They have six rings! (That might not be the best example, I think they got along)

Last year our time was very likable on a personal level, but they lost in the first round of the playoffs...
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To me it's all about chemistry, and chemistry has to start with good rapport among teammates and staff. My passions are tennis (doubles) and music (garage band old-school) and there are people that can bring out the best in me and those that just wear me down with their politicking, complaining and passing the buck. I like to think that I can bring out the best in people and I'm pretty sure that Conley takes that to a whole new level. I think we've seen what dissension can do to a team with OKC (Durant and Westbrook) and more recently the Celtics with Kyrie.

PS Glad you guys are so sold on Snyder. I like a coach that can trust his team enough to let em play - guess I was just a little concerned about how Ingles seemed to pucker up in the playoffs and the other guys as well with all the open threes missed. I think we need more green lights like Toronto, Golden State and Houston, particularly now with all the new sharp shooters, to be successful.
 
it seems to me that a lot of good teams have a little crazy in them, like rodman, or the eccentric kobe. people who push themselves to new levels because they are kinda obsessive that way. who's our crazy guy who goes super-sayan 3 just because he wants to know if it's possible? doesn't have to be the superstar, aka rodman, just someone (or two)
 
cctrackstar said:
it seems to me that a lot of good teams have a little crazy in them, like rodman, or the eccentric kobe. people who push themselves to new levels because they are kinda obsessive that way. who's our crazy guy who goes super-sayan 3 just because he wants to know if it's possible? doesn't have to be the superstar, aka rodman, just someone (or two)
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I think gobert is kinda like that. A person who pushes himslef to new levels cause he is kind of obsessive that way.


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Release the Kraken said:
<...> If Snyder can keep from screwing things up, I can really see us being very, very good!
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fishonjazz said:
I think he was saying that we will be really really good if Snyder is able to coach these guys well
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Coach's one of the good ones; I don't doubt his skills, leadership.
That said, cohesion, fluidity will be issues. Snyder will have to adapt to a new scenery where overcoaching, for the most part, won't be needed.
 
outerspacefan said:
Coach's one of the good ones; I don't doubt his skills, leadership.
That said, cohesion, fluidity will be issues. Snyder will have to adapt to a new scenery where overcoaching, for the most part, won't be needed.
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Oddly, I don't think this is as much of a concern as the players getting used to the offense. Utah's offense runs on isolating the advantages the D gives you through screens, multiple PnR actions and looks, and exploiting mismatches through switches. It takes time to adapt to a new style, but the style and scheme works in generating those looks. The system doesn't necessarily need tweaking to exploit a player's strengths provided that player has skills to work it. The offense will do it on its own. We just couldn't connect when those situations were generated when it mattered (per Locke, most open looks of any series in the playoffs last year). Ideally, we don't have as much of an issue there anymore. I expect the offense to sputter before zooming after a month or so. Once it's going through, it should be a thing of beauty.

Had Ricky been able to do any sort of long range shooting around 35% consistently, he stays in the 801. Also, look at Hill's fall off after leaving Utah. Simply put, Utah's system creates the opportunities for the players, if they have the skill sets to do it.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Oddly, I don't think this is as much of a concern as the players getting used to the offense. Utah's offense runs on isolating the advantages the D gives you through screens, multiple PnR actions and looks, and exploiting mismatches through switches. It takes time to adapt to a new style, but the style and scheme works in generating those looks. The system doesn't necessarily need tweaking to exploit a player's strengths provided that player has skills to work it. The offense will do it on its own. We just couldn't connect when those situations were generated when it mattered (per Locke, most open looks of any series in the playoffs last year). Ideally, we don't have as much of an issue there anymore. I expect the offense to sputter before zooming after a month or so. Once it's going through, it should be a thing of beauty.

Had Ricky been able to do any sort of long range shooting around 35% consistently, he stays in the 801. Also, look at Hill's fall off after leaving Utah. Simply put, Utah's system creates the opportunities for the players, if they have the skill sets to do it.
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Outerspacefan nailed what I was trying to get at with the "overcoaching" term. "Cohesion and fluidity" are exactly the qualities I hope to see. And I'm sure you're right that it will take care of itself, coach will allow the machine to operate as intended now that we have all the right components in play. I'm probably overthinking it, as generally I do like Quinn and feel like he's done an admirable job. My concerns with the old team were not only the number of missed open shots but the fact that throughout the season we passed up open looks and too many times ran the shot clock down to the last second where finally our designated chucker would throw up a prayer. To me that says, guys are afraid to step outside their very limited roles and shoot when open. So hopefully that won't be the case this season.

PS Agree about Ricky, but Hill looked pretty good in the playoffs even taking some of Bledsoe's minutes. BTW, judging by the Buck's playoffs, I think Mirotic did us a huge favor by signing in Spain. I'll take Bogey over him any day.
 
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