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2019 Annual Jazzfanz AllTime NBA Draft - Round 1, Match 1 - Thee Jazz Fan vs Ellis269

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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gandalfe

gandalfe

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Who would win a 7 game series between...?

Thee Jazz Fan:

Damian Lillard / Kevin Johnson
Pistol Pete / Drazen Petrovic
Vince Carter / Ron Artest
Giannis Antetokounmpo / Shawn Marion
Hakeem Olajuwon / LaMacus Aldridge

Ellis269:

Kyle Lowry / John Wall
Jimmy Butler / Marques Johnson
James Worthy / Glenn Robinson
Kevin Durant / Bobby Jones
Karl Malone / Nate Thurmond
 
Thee Jazz Fan's argument:

Vince Carter

Top ten dunks on team USA



Top ten post plays by Hakeem Olajuwon



Damian Lillard closes out OKC in the playoffs 50pts.


Pistol Pete. Highlights



Giannis Antetokounmpo. Highlights




Damian Lillard
26pts. 4.5reb. 6ast. 1.1stl. 36% 3pt. 44%fg. 91%ft.

Pistol Pete.
31pts. 5reb. 5ast. 1.2 ast. 45%fg. 83%ft

Vince Carter.
27pts. 5reb. 4ast. 1.5stl. 1.1blk. 40%3pt. 46%fg. 76%ft

Giannis Antetokounmpo.
27pts. 12rb. 6ast. 1.3stl. 1.5blk. 57%fg. 72%ft

Hakeem Olajuwon.
27pts. 12reb. 3ast. 1.6stl. 3.7blk. 53%fg. 71%ft

Kevin Johnson.
20pts. 3reb. 9ast. 1.5stl. 44%3pt. 49%fg. 85%ft

Drazen Petrovic.
22pts. 2reb. 3ast. 1.3stl. 44%3pt. 51%fg. 87%ft

Ron Artest.
20pts. 6reb. 3ast. 2.3 stl. 38%3pt. 45%fg. 71%ft

Shawn Marion.
21pts. 11reb. 2ast. 2stl. 1.7blk. 33%3pt. 52%fg. 80%ft.

LaMarcus Aldridge.
23pts. 10reb. 1ast. 1blk. 35%3pt. 46%fg. 84%ft.

Ellis has a team of rough riders, my way around this is a formidable front line and a team that likes to run and gun. And I have the thoroughbreads to do it. This is where Pistol Pete comes in. He’s a Prodigy on the basketball court. The things he does on the basketball court are the stuff of legend. He can run and gun with the best of them as a passer and skilled finisher as he’s got every shot you can think of. Then imagine him with fast break partners such as the freak and Carter running on either side with Hakeem trailing the play down the middle.

When the situation calls for it this team is built to play great in a half court setting as well. Both Lillard and Pistol can run pick’n roll with both Hakeem and Giannis, then being blindsided with a back door cut from Carter who no doubt finishes with a thunderous dunk. Both my guards can score from anywhere on the court. Lillard is one of the best as a small guard at finishing inside. And just ask Paul George about his clutch gene, and ability to score from 30+ ft. I have a team that can play great inside out basketball as Lillard and Pete are elite shooters and Vince in his best year shot 40% from 3. Hakeem has the best footwork in the post the nba has ever seen and a gifted scorer in the post but then you have to also contend with his silky smooth 15 ft fade-away that’s damn near automatic, and great at passing out of double teams to three point shooters. Giannis Antetokounmpo is IMO the best playmaking 4 in this. He may not be a shooter, but it doesn’t matter as no one can stop him from getting in the paint even a sagging into the paint Gobert couldn’t stop him from scoring 43 pts in a game last year.

Ellis will no doubt hang his hat on the prowess of his individual talent on defense. I’ve got the code breaker for his style of tough defense. First, we are going to run every chance we get, whether it’s Pistol running the break, Lillard or the freak or even Kevin Johnson. Olajuwon is very happy Kevin Johnson is on his team.

Second, there’s that old saying great individual offense can trump great individual defense. Butler, I assume will guard Pistol Pete. Guarding Pete is like guarding a guy where the ball is nothing more than an extension of his feet and hands. He does things no one would ever dare do in a game and it comes as natural to him and makes it look easy. In his heyday, he was Jordan on offense, you couldn’t stop him you could only hope to slow him down.

At the PG position there wasn’t a better finisher or clutch player when his team needs a pickup. He can turn it on and score from anywhere on the court.

No one in the league can guard The freak, not even Gobert.

IMO Hakeem is the best big to ever play the game, he had no weaknesses on the court.

My team is supremely talented IMO supreme talent trumps even the best well rounded teams. Think Team USA, dream team. From one through five, Ellis’s team can’t stand up to mine on pure talent.
 
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Ellis260's writeup:

I went all in on Karl Malone as the ultimate “Death Lineup” Wildcard. Imagine Karl Malone in Draymond Green’s role for the Warriors in the Hampton 5 Lineup. That was what I built my team around.







My “Fab Four” - Butler, Worthy, KD and Malone all play 40 minutes each. Lowry, Wall and Thurmond play 16 minutes apiece as a “traditional” PG or C (respectively), with Marques Johnson playing 11 minutes as a backup 2, Robinson playing 11 minutes as a backup 3 and Bobby Jones splitting his 10 minutes as a backup 4/5 as needed.

1 - Kyle Lowry / John Wall
2 - Jimmy Butler / Marques Johnson
3 - James Worthy / Glenn Robinson
4 - Kevin Durant / Bobby Jones
5 - Karl Malone / Nate Thurmond

Butler also gets some minutes as the primary ball handler (like he did in the most recent playoffs) so I can have a lineup of all 5 players between 6’7” and 6’11” and switchable like crazy on defense.

Karl Malone and KD are the feature players, with everything else built around what they do successfully. I especially think that Malone would’ve thrived in a role like this. Thee has a great team, but I like how mine is constructed and how it matches up against anyone else in the competition.
 
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Though statically pistol was quite a bit better than Jimmy Butler and there is a case to be made that Lillard is better than lowry statistically as well.

So maybe thee is better individually and statistically at 3 of the 5 positions in the starting lineup

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When I look into a bit more.....

Worthy: 21 points, 6 rebounds, 3.6 assists
Vince: 27.5 points, 6 rebounds, 4.7 assists
Vince wins stats wise.

Durant:32 points, 7 rebounds, 5.5 assists
Giannis:28 points, 12.5 rebounds, 6 assists
That's a really close one but I give a slight edge to durant

Lillard:27 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists
Lowry:22.4 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists
Another close one with the slight edge to Lillard (though it should be noted that lowry was amazing from 3 that year)

Marovich:31 points, 5 rebounds, 5.4 assists
Butler:24 points, 6 rebounds, 5.5 assists
Edge to pistol

Hakeem:26 points, 13 rebounds, 3.5 assists
Malone:31 points, 11 rebounds, 2.8 assists
Edge to Malone (should be noted that hakeem averaged 4.2 blocks that year)

Team (starters) total averages:
Thee: 27.9 points, 8.3 rebounds, 5.1 assists
Ellis: 26.0 points, 7 rebounds, 4.9 assists

(I used what I thought was each players best year. Others might have different opinions on what each players best year was)

Of course stats don't tell everything and in this comp everyone is going to have amazing stats so fit matters alot.


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Yea so hard..

PG are even.

Wings: Ellis has the edge.

Bigs: Thee has the edge.

I think I like Hakeem's experience and craftiness at this point I think that could be the deciding factor.
 
For me it came down to defensive match-ups. I don't think Team Ellis has the rim protector to counter Giannis. But Team Thee could slow down Malone with Hakeem and have a bunch of options for Durant (Marion, Artest, Giannis).
 
fishonjazz said:
Though statically pistol was quite a bit better than Jimmy Butler and there is a case to be made that Lillard is better than lowry statistically as well.

So maybe thee is better individually and statistically at 3 of the 5 positions in the starting lineup

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I think 8 out of 10 people would think Lillard is better than Lowry.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I think 8 out of 10 people would think Lillard is better than Lowry.
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I am part of the 2 that could be convinced Lowry is better, depending on the role you need them to fill. Go to offensive player: Lillard > Lowry. Defender: Lowery > Lillard. Floor general/pic n'roll partner for Malone: Lowery > Lillard (IMO)
 
Simulation Results

Game 1
Ellis269 - 108
Thee Jazz Fan - 96
PotG - James Worthy
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651266&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 2
Ellis269 - 109
Thee Jazz Fan - 100
PotG - Karl Malone
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651282&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 3
Ellis269 - 124
Thee Jazz Fan - 102
PotG - Jimmy Butler
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651309&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 4
Ellis269 - 94
Thee Jazz Fan - 99
PotG - Giannis Antetokounmpo
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651330&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 5
Ellis269 - 98
Thee Jazz Fan - 107
PotG - Giannis Antetokounmpo
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651391&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 6
Ellis269 - 116
Thee Jazz Fan - 103
PotG - Jimmy Butler
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651408&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 7
Ellis269 - 101
Thee Jazz Fan - 88
PotG - Kevin Durant
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651432&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

I won 4-2 in 6 games. (Simmed the last game for fun and won it too.)

I gave Thee home court advantage AND I made it so that the minutes were exactly the same (starters 36/bench 12) for both teams.
 
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Ellis269 said:
Simulation Results

Game 1
Ellis269 - 108
Thee Jazz Fan - 96
PotG - James Worthy
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651266&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 2
Ellis269 - 109
Thee Jazz Fan - 100
PotG - Karl Malone
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651282&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 3
Ellis269 - 124
Thee Jazz Fan - 102
PotG - Jimmy Butler
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651309&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 4
Ellis269 - 94
Thee Jazz Fan - 99
PotG - Giannis Antetokounmpo
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651330&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 5
Ellis269 - 98
Thee Jazz Fan - 107
PotG - Giannis Antetokounmpo
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651391&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 6
Ellis269 - 116
Thee Jazz Fan - 103
PotG - Jimmy Butler
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651408&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

Game 7
Ellis269 - 101
Thee Jazz Fan - 88
PotG - Kevin Durant
https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=21651432&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

I won 4-2 in 6 games. (Simmed the last game for fun and won it too.)

I gave Thee home court advantage AND I made it so that the minutes were exactly the same (starters 36/bench 12) for both teams.
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Damn, we all got it so wrong then.. LOL ..
 
Ellis ran into the one team that can match up great with the duo of Malone and Durant. In Hakeem Olajuwon and Giannis, Giannis being the key as he matches up with Durant better than just about any other 4 man. Not saying Giannis would stop Durant, but he probably makes things a little more difficult than some of the other 4’s in this Competition.
 
checkbookdoc said:
I am part of the 2 that could be convinced Lowry is better, depending on the role you need them to fill. Go to offensive player: Lillard > Lowry. Defender: Lowery > Lillard. Floor general/pic n'roll partner for Malone: Lowery > Lillard (IMO)
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The Blazers don’t get out of the first round with Lowry at the point. Instead they went to the WCF.
 
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