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Red said:
Yeah, that was my first thought as well. I'm not an alt anything. I believe people should be able to think freely and realize their full potential as human beings. When all is said and done, I think most of us fall short in that regards anyway, without living in a nation like China, with its repressive social credit system, and worse, it's so-called reeducation centers.

As for the situation in Hong Kong, I thought it very interesting to see that people elsewhere in the world are still inspired by what I would call "the idea of America", or look to America as being an "ideal", to aim for in governance. So, it was fascinating to see all the American flags and people singing our national anthem. I would like to know who the philosophical leaders of the Hong Kong movement are, after seeing that video clip....
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You seem genuinely surprised that people like the US and its way of life.

Half the world is dying to get here for a better life, and half the people in this country think this is not a good place, and needs a lot of changes.

Maybe those two half should talk to each other, and figure out why there is such a big discrepancy in the view of the US. Or maybe you should switch places, for like an experiment. Just to see what happens.
 
NPC D4617 said:
You seem genuinely surprised that people like the US and its way of life.

Half the world is dying to get here for a better life, and half the people in this country think this is not a good place, and needs a lot of changes.

Maybe those two half should talk to each other, and figure out why there is such a big discrepancy in the view of the US. Or maybe you should switch places, for like an experiment. Just to see what happens.
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I lived in a country whose people are coming here in droves. I know why they’re coming here. I also know it’s not as great as they think.


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You sure do love to label people


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NPC D4617 said:
You seem genuinely surprised that people like the US and its way of life.
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You would be mistaken. Where that particular Hong Kong demonstration was concerned, I said I found it interesting and fascinating.

NPC D4617 said:
and half the people in this country think this is not a good place, and needs a lot of changes.
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The people who seem to think this is not a good place seem to be the same people who think diversity is bad. They seem to be led by Trump, who really seems to hate his country, or certainly a great many of its citizens. I believe it represents less then half. One good change would be removal of the Chief Bigot and Chief Troll, one and the same person obviously. Would not solve our many problems, including any instant escape from the orchestra of hatred that he himself conducts, but it's the start we'll need.
 
Red said:
You would be mistaken. Where that particular Hong Kong demonstration was concerned, I said I found it interesting and fascinating.



The people who seem to think this is not a good place seem to be the same people who think diversity is bad. They seem to be led by Trump, who really seems to hate his country, or certainly a great many of its citizens. I believe it represents less then half. One good change would be removal of the Chief Bigot and Chief Troll, one and the same person obviously. Would not solve our many problems, including any instant escape from the orchestra of hatred that he himself conducts, but it's the start we'll need.
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This is just completely disingenuous and not true.

You cant say the people who are trying to preserve what this country is all about are the ones who hate it. It makes a whole lot more sense that the people are who are trying to change the whole fundamental process are the ones who hate or dislike the country.

Again, has nothing to do with race. Its so weak to throw that argument out there every single time your logic breaks down.
 
NPC D4617 said:
You cant say the people who are trying to preserve what this country is all about are the ones who hate it.
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Yes, there have been many episodes in our nation's history in which anti-immigrant bigotry(not necessarily racial as you seem to think, incorrectly) has been at the forefront politically. As but one example, the Nativist Party(aka, the Know Nothing Party) was quite successful for a time in the 1850's. And they hated the Irish, the Germans, and Roman Catholics. Bigotry is not always race-based.

People today, trying to preserve bigotry in America, truly hate America. For them, bigotry apparently is what they wish their country to be all about. Let's hope they remain a minority.

NPC D4617 said:
Again, has nothing to do with race. Its so weak to throw that argument out there every single time your logic breaks down.
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Yes, as I noted above, sometimes this bigotry, this anti-diversity, is not directly tied to racial animus. As another example, we also saw pronounced anti-Eastern European, and anti-Southern European bigotry/intolerance in the late 19th/early 20th century time frame.

The hatred embraced by Trump and his followers may indeed be what America is all about. It certainly has been episodic in our history at least. We'll see how long this particular episode of such intolerance lasts.
 
Red said:
Yes, there have been many episodes in our nation's history in which anti-immigrant bigotry(not necessarily racial as you seem to think, incorrectly) has been at the forefront politically. As but one example, the Nativist Party(aka, the Know Nothing Party) was quite successful for a time in the 1850's. And they hated the Irish, the Germans, and Roman Catholics. Bigotry is not always race-based.

People today, trying to preserve bigotry in America, truly hate America. For them, bigotry apparently is what they wish their country to be all about. Let's hope they remain a minority.



Yes, as I noted above, sometimes this bigotry, this anti-diversity, is not directly tied to racial animus. As another example, we also saw pronounced anti-Eastern European, and anti-Southern European bigotry/intolerance in the late 19th/early 20th century time frame.

The hatred embraced by Trump and his followers may indeed be what America is all about. It certainly has been episodic in our history at least. We'll see how long this particular episode of such intolerance lasts.
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We are currently seeing that same anti- eastern European southern European bigotry coming out. So its funny you bring it up. Thats the only hate being pushed right now, and its coming from the left. Making it openly ok to be racists against European Americans. The left thinks its ok to shut down European Americans, also commit acts of violence against then.

Trump supporters welcome anyone of any race as longas you stand for freedom and are against socialismand communism. The left supporters are grading and grouping people according to their skin color and background.
 
NPC D4617 said:
We are currently seeing that same anti- eastern European southern European bigotry coming out. So its funny you bring it up. Thats the only hate being pushed right now, and its coming from the left. Making it openly ok to be racists against European Americans. The left thinks its ok to shut down European Americans, also commit acts of violence against then.m

Trump supporters welcome anyone of any race as longas you stand for freedom and are against socialismand communism. The left supporters are grading and grouping people according to their skin color and background.
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And to think, you actually lectured me on logic. Lol. Too funny!!

Hey, listen, low 80's at the moment. I'm off to the beach. Have a nice day!
 
Red said:
And to think, you actually lectured me on logic. Lol. Too funny!!

Hey, listen, low 80's at the moment. I'm off to the beach. Have a nice day!
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Lmao

Its raining outside. You aren't going to the beach. See, we cant even agree on the weather. You are hopeless.
 
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