Archie Moses
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Unless it's Sarah Jeong from the NYTs who's tweets were hateful and racist. The SNL dude's comments were ignorant racist.
Lol
You defended her in this very thread and what she said was way more vile.
You're a hypocrite
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You defended her in this very thread and what she said was way more vile.
You're a hypocrite
Zombie
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I remember when me and my fellow eleven year old Mormon friends got a hold an Eddie Murphy stand up cassette, which included this sketch. We thought it was the funniest thing we'd ever heard. We then created our own sketch in which we pretended to be a "****** extermination squad" and prank called other kids and asked them if they were ******(s).
We also pretty relentlessly bullied a boy in our boy scout troop who we suspected was gay, calling him a "fage" in a very clever attempt not to get in trouble.
All this to say, comedy is no excuse for horrible bigoted remarks. Being a comedian doesn't or shouldn't give you a pass to say whatever you want.
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Archie Moses
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So if it's a sarcastic tweet, it's ok to be racist and not lose your job. Ok.
Archie Moses
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You weren't a comedian. You were a bully that thought it was funny at one person's expense.
Kinda sad you'd compare the two.
Btw, why does it matter if they were mormon friends? Lol
You don't understand comedy, bro. 100%. They push the boundaries.
Zombie
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I don't really feel like rehashing the conversation about "punching up" vs "punching down" and the satirizing of social media abuse hurled at minorities, by switching the races of those involved, thanks.
Zombie
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I was Mormon as well if that wasn't clear, I know I wasn't a comedian, although we thought ourselves pretty funny at the time.
The point, which I thought was rather obvious, is that comedy routine influenced us to behave that way. It played into a culture of homophobia that we eagerly latched onto.
Archie Moses
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If that helps you sleep better.
Dude, I'll I'm saying is people make mistakes. Comedians say stupid things. I'm not saying there should be no consequences, but this online mob mentality of burning the witch is bs. Now, if the guy is a total pos then fire him, but come on, man... second chances. The past is the past. People learn. People make mistakes. People are ignorant and are judged by know it alls.
Firing and throwing people and jail is weak (I'm with John Legend.)
Archie Moses
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So, do you condemn every comedian that has said things that people find homophobic, racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc? If so, you may not like comedy.
Zombie
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I'm not sure what throwing people in jail has to do with this, but honestly he shouldn't get the SNL job if those routines, very recent ones mind you, are an example of what he thinks is funny. Rehashing old stale racial steotypes isn't just offensive, it's boring and lazy comedy to boot.
Archie Moses
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Throwing people in jail really doesn't have anything to do with it. It's just another rant. I'm sick of people thinking that people should go to jail and have the books thrown at them. I lumped my feelings with that with people being offended and demanding people being fired.
Getting a job or losing a job is a major life event. Losing a job can seriously **** them up. Firing someone from their actions from the past that is dug up (to a certain degree) is the easy way out. Why not make that person do something to show they've developed or educate them? Make the world a better place, dude. Don't throw an unpolished thing in the fire.
Archie Moses
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Bill Burr and Dave Chappelle just had Netflix specials with racial stereotypes...
They got paid millions.
They have a 99% rating by viewers.
You're a robotic, woke, idiot, regurgitating what you think should be said.
Zombie
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I think there's room for nuance in this discussion. Everyone goes through a process of learning, some sooner than later. I don't think we should "cancel" every comedian that has told an offensive joke. But that doesn't mean we can't hold them to some standard, especially those working today. It's really not hard to be funny without being offensive. There are plenty of good comedians working today who's sets are completely free of bigotry.
Archie Moses
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Fire him!
Punching up though, right?
When Burr's Elvis bit is available I'll post it too.
I'm so offended by comedy. Fire them!
Zombie
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Right, I'm the robot, for what? Daring to question the status quo?
You've actually highlighted one of the more ironic parts of this entire discussion. You and others are up in arms about how comedians are being victimized by so called "woke" people, and yet they seem to me to be doing just fine. If that's the worst cancel culture can do, sign me the **** up.
Archie Moses
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In other words, there are different comedian styles to fit people's senses of humor. Don't watch comedian who offend you. Simple.
Daniel Tosh has had a show on MTV for a decade. Why hasn't he been fired?
Archie Moses
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It's not ironic because this thread is full of examples of the double standard.
I'm not up in arms. I didn't get anyone fired. I haven't advocated for anyone to be fired. You've defended Jeong, Smollett, when they were complete POS and yet, are simple minded enough if someone is as simple as white, you agree they should be fired/etc because you're so woke and don't conform to the status quo.
Call me terrible (up in arms lol) if you will. The online mob, fake outrage, mob mentality can go **** off.
Zombie
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I haven't actually called to anyone to be fired either. If Netflix wants to give Chappelle millions of dollars or SNL responds to public sentiment and doesn't hire a guy, it doesn't make much difference to me. I was absolutely wrong about Smollet, I believed him and clearly shouldn't have.
What I do have a problem with though, is people calling others who are exercising their freedom of speech, and working within the confines of capitalism to make their voices heard, "fake outrage mobs" or "sjws." It's ok for people to have different opinions about things, and make those opinions heard, without describing them as "robots" or otherwise not acting out of their own free will or independent judgment.
candrew
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Don't be so hard on yourself. It was the 80's. It was an awkward time for everyone.
Except Patrick Swayze.
Archie Moses
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Yeah, man. I shouldn't have called you a robot, so I apologize for that. I'm not trying to suppress your freedom of speech or anyone else's for that matter, but the online mob mentality is detrimental and fake (for the most part.)
People are very different in real life than their online persona. They tend to exaggerate and amply their feelings to be heard.
I don't know the SNL guy's name. I listened to his podcast. I cringed when he said what he said, but I knew it was out if ignorance and he wasn't, to the best that I know, wasn't malicious. Dude made a mistake. It just cost him, I'd imagine, his dream.
I imagine the guy is feeling pretty terrible. His tweet is deflating his feelings. The dude literally had his dreams come true and lost it. I don't care if he's white, black, purple, brown, I feel bad for him.
If he was a malicious, racist **** I'd be the first one to throw him under the bus.
I don't know. Maybe he is. I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt though rather than have the mentality of he must suffer the consequences.
Losing a job ****s with you. Losing your dream right after you reached it must be hard.
Hate culture sucks, man.
Archie Moses
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I should say the same thing. Don't be hard on yourself (if you are) I was just making a point.