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A few questions for the bitchers and moaners

DasJazz said:
We are still going to wreak havoc in the playoffs. All teams go through spurts where they are off of their game.

We are still in championship mode. Just gotta right the ship a bit for the rest of the month.
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I tend to think this too. I think we're built for the playoffs.

Conspiracy theory thinking... maybe Quin has run so much ISO early this season on purpose in preparation for the playoffs? In playoff basketball isolation offense is more prevalent. Defenses tighten up and your best playmakers have to create stuff individually more often. Maybe he feels like the team needs these early ISO reps to be prepared and that he can get the team to run the expanded offense whenever he needs.
 
jom2003 said:
Success I mean contending for a championship. We have a very low chance of success in winning a championship with Conley. And Brogdon is a clear better fit to our current lineup. As simple as that.
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I would have rather have Brogdon also. Was he an option as a FA? Or would a sign and trade have needed to be done? Not sure the details of how he ended up on Indiana.
 
SCS said:
I tend to think this too. I think we're built for the playoffs.

Conspiracy theory thinking... maybe Quin has run so much ISO early this season on purpose in preparation for the playoffs? In playoff basketball isolation offense is more prevalent. Defenses tighten up and your best playmakers have to create stuff individually more often. Maybe he feels like the team needs these early ISO reps to be prepared and that he can get the team to run the expanded offense whenever he needs.
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My conspiracy thinking has kind of been the inverse of this. That is, that Quin hasn't been running as many complex sets early in this rough part of the year to give potential playoff opponents less tape to work from.

I don't really believe that, but it makes more sense than just abandoning it altogether I guess.
 
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LoPo said:
No, Donovan is trying to win. That's all he's trying to do. For team USA, he deferred a lot. In their big loss, he did everything he could to keep that team afloat.

Something is just off right now. Conley and Donovan are playing similarly and it's not bringing out the best in the team as a whole. There is no one guy to blame. They gotta figure it out.
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Or Donovan is trying to make an All-Star team, get his stats up and sell sneakers?
 
Beer said:
1. Are we better off if we keep Rubio or sign some other rando for 10-12 mill rather than trading for Conley?

2. Was a player that scored an efficient 20 ppg and was known as one of the most underrated players in the league worth the risk of a trade?

3. Who's been screwing the Jazz worst? A. Conley B. Donovan C. Ingles D. Snyder

4. Do you really blame Lindsey for making the trade? We gave up Crowder, a draft pick or 2, and some cap space.
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1. Rubio fits quins style of play
2. No
3. Snyder
4.No
pretty simple, quins game plan hasn't changed and teams that are above 500 and destroying it and are up by that much at half are in relax mode in the 3rd
 
infection said:
1. I think the bigger question is would we have been better off unloading Exum onto Memphis, then having the extra $10 from waiving Korver (because the difference in Korver’s contract waived and maintaining Crowder instead of Exum would have freed up cash), or even keeping Korver. But we could have landed an Aminu. I’d say that some could argue that hindsight bias would say yes that we’re better off with Rubio, but I don’t think our current vantage point qualifies as “hindsight.”

2. Yeah.

3. I put this on Quin and Donovan. Ingles and Conley are missing shots. Donovan is simply taking bad shots, forcing things, playing hero ball, and a Quin has done nothing to intervene. We don’t even have an offensive strategy. Everyone talked about pick and rolls with Joe and Bojan in the corners and the threat of the lob or the pass to the corners. Instead we’re getting a bunch of floaters.

4. No, but I blame him for not bringing in some toughness. Like, we accepted our starting lineups poor rebounding fate, then we grab the worst rebounding four in the league. Can’t fault him for bringing in a veteran on the minimum, but you have to manufacture some other options. I also blame DL for not getting us a real point guard, and for swapping Neto with NWG.
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exum needs to go for both parties, but the biggest issue is donovan, when he can't hit a basket he keeps shooting, he needs to look and see who else is open
 
I don't know how some of you are still ready to deny that some players on our team want individual success. Sure everybody wants to win, but everybody is out there wanting to build their brand. That has been evident in our play all season.

Championship contending teams need to quickly figure out a hierarchy. Whether it happens organically without discussion, or through a planned discussion between our best players. (Bogey, Rudy, Don, Mike). It took for Dwayne Wade to concede his status, and agree to be the number 2 man behind LeBron, before they started winning. Just recently LeBron gave up the number one option to Anthony Davis, and you would think they will win a championship in the next few years. In the instances where a hierarchy hadn't been or flat out refused to have been established in certain teams, it's always going to end badly. Look at Butler's and Embiid's complaints about who is number one. How did that turn out? Warriors also quickly realized that KD needed to be the one.

What I'm seeing is with the Jazz at the moment, is that a hierarchy hasn't been truly established, and I'm not sure that some of our best players are willing to give up their status in the team at this point. I'm waiting until those pieces of the puzzle fall into place.
 
According to Locke, DM and Conley are both tied for taking the most “floater” range shots in the league, by a wide margin mind you, and both are shooting < 40% on those.

in my mind, that’s a Snyder issue. He is not building this offense to be successful in the wake of the defensive changes teams have made this year.

His offense is generating contested threes, lots of 10 footers, and hardly any rim drives.
 
The Conley trade has been a fluke so far and it’s obviously messed with the team’s chemistry in some shape or form.
 
Tragic66 said:
Or Donovan is trying to make an All-Star team, get his stats up and sell sneakers?
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I have a very bitter taste in my mouth about the last game. The hero ball on display was so egregious it's like a switch was flipped and suddenly my support for Donovan is dampened.
 
Some of y'all are off on the picks - we traded pick #23 (which memphis paired with a future 2nd to get Brandon Clarke - a guy we apparently graded as a late lotto guy at #21) last season and a future 1st that will likely convey in '22 (the much hyped 'double' draft).

I didn't much like the move at the time, hope it works out better than it has to date.
 
Dali said:
I don't know how some of you are still ready to deny that some players on our team want individual success. Sure everybody wants to win, but everybody is out there wanting to build their brand. That has been evident in our play all season.

Championship contending teams need to quickly figure out a hierarchy. Whether it happens organically without discussion, or through a planned discussion between our best players. (Bogey, Rudy, Don, Mike). It took for Dwayne Wade to concede his status, and agree to be the number 2 man behind LeBron, before they started winning. Just recently LeBron gave up the number one option to Anthony Davis, and you would think they will win a championship in the next few years. In the instances where a hierarchy hadn't been or flat out refused to have been established in certain teams, it's always going to end badly. Look at Butler's and Embiid's complaints about who is number one. How did that turn out? Warriors also quickly realized that KD needed to be the one.

What I'm seeing is with the Jazz at the moment, is that a hierarchy hasn't been truly established, and I'm not sure that some of our best players are willing to give up their status in the team at this point. I'm waiting until those pieces of the puzzle fall into place.
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In any event, at least we can all agree that Dante still sucks at basketball.
 
DasJazz said:
In any event, at least we can all agree that Dante still sucks at basketball.
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No Only morons like U and some others think like that. Other players that are playing worse than Dante on this team. And he's just come off a major injury. He didn't even shoot a shot last game. How can U when Donovan wants to shoot every shot. U moron
 
Jazz said:
No Only morons like U and some others think like that. Other players that are playing worse than Dante on this team. And he's just come off a major injury. He didn't even shoot a shot last game. How can U when Donovan wants to shoot every shot. U moron
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Lol
 
Jazz said:
No Only morons like U and some others think like that. Other players that are playing worse than Dante on this team. And he's just come off a major injury. He didn't even shoot a shot last game. How can U when Donovan wants to shoot every shot. U moron
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He is always just coming off of a major injury.
 
Jazz said:
And your point is. He has had terrible luck with injuries. Very unfortunate
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My point is, always being injured coupled with a very clear lack of skill improvement on the court means he is a wasted roster spot.

This is why it is so dangerous to draft off of potential instead of actual talent.
 
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