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LoPo

LoPo

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Not definitely and not immediately, but IF OUR STRUGGLES CONTINUE, consider trading him in January.

Why:
- he is in his prime
- he has a lot of trade value
- he's due a massive payday in 1.5 seasons
- he might decline quickly
- his strengths aren't crucial to win a title in today's NBA
- his weaknesses often limit us
- his frustrations will only grow
- if we overpay him or lose him for nothing, we doom ourselves

Why not:
- he is one of our best players
- he seems happy in Utah (for now)
- he is a great guy


If we are bordering anywhere near .500 come mid-January, we have to consider it. We stand to lose everything in summer 2021 if we don't; Gobert, Conley, our draft pick to Memphis, etc.

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I say we ride this out until late January before we do or talk about doing anything crazy. If we're still struggling at that point something drastic has to happen.
 
But who would give you that star player for Rudy? What team who has start guard/wing/scorer/ball handler - aka Doncic, Kawhi, Harden, George would want to part with them and take on Rudy? Klay? Siakam? neither is realistic options anyway. I think we are stuck with Rudy and just need to make sure pieces around him are fitting properly.
 
1. He's our best player and the least of our problems.
2. Who would we get that would make us better? Who could we land that would right this **** show?
3. You could (not necessarily should) make a much stronger argument to trade Mitchell. He'd have some real value that would get you a return.
 
I don't think we can afford to trade him. But things don't look good. We need a rugged PF. Actually, someone like Trevor Booker would be useful right now. And like people have said, we should've tried to trade Dante in the Conley deal instead of Crowder, who is another guy who gave us the toughness we currently lack. Even Jerebko would help. We are wicked soft now. While Jeff Green has talent, he doesn't rebound or play consistently tough D, and often disappears during games. He actually should be a lot better player based on his ability, but something seems to be missing, which is probably why he has bounced around the league.
 
infection said:
1. He's our best player and the least of our problems.
2. Who would we get that would make us better? Who could we land that would right this **** show?
3. You could (not necessarily should) make a much stronger argument to trade Mitchell. He'd have some real value that would get you a return.
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1. He is our best player right now. Will he when we have to re-sign him in 2021?

2. It's not about who we get as much as something rather than nothing. OKC didn't want to lose Russ, but they got something. They cashed in.

3. Donovan is untouchable. He is the face of the franchise and unlike any young player we have ever had.

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infection said:
1. He's our best player and the least of our problems.
2. Who would we get that would make us better? Who could we land that would right this **** show?
3. You could (not necessarily should) make a much stronger argument to trade Mitchell. He'd have some real value that would get you a return.
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This conversation is pretty stupid imo. What are we going to do add another scorer to this lineup of good individual but completely disconnected scorers. He doesn’t need the ball to have an imprint on the game... DM needs to learn how to make others better and play smarter.

Rudy is offensively limited but still does good things... I think we need less traditional pick and roll... put him in the dunkers spot more often so the big has to come all the way over to help and the pass is a simple drop off.

The guys are completely disconnected right now... the way this team was supposed to be successful is the opposite of what we are getting. It starts with DM and Conley... we also needs Joe to figure out what the hell is wrong.

Quin isn’t on the hot seat but he’s had pretty easy personalities to manage and has had years of offenses that were bad... tough to blame it on the parts now... just please figure it out sooner than later so we don’t have to keep having these conversations.
 
The only reason I would consider trading him is the massive payday coming up. It could be like 60 million+ per year from what I remember. Thats too much.

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MVP said:
But who would give you that star player for Rudy? What team who has start guard/wing/scorer/ball handler - aka Doncic, Kawhi, Harden, George would want to part with them and take on Rudy? Klay? Siakam? neither is realistic options anyway. I think we are stuck with Rudy and just need to make sure pieces around him are fitting properly.
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Probably this
Just hope Rudy will give a discount
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MVP said:
But who would give you that star player for Rudy? What team who has start guard/wing/scorer/ball handler - aka Doncic, Kawhi, Harden, George would want to part with them and take on Rudy? Klay? Siakam? neither is realistic options anyway. I think we are stuck with Rudy and just need to make sure pieces around him are fitting properly.
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New Orleans with Holiday maybe?
 
The offensive issues are so much more to do with DM and Conley (and Ingles to a lesser extent). I ain't trading Rudy or any of the people in that group. Conley maybe but not sure he get you a good return. We likely should have considered DM to be the pg and got a Thomas Satoransky type to play alongside him so that we aren't so small and there are enough possessions to go around.

Last night DM was bad and mentally looked fatigued and checked out a bit. I've not seen him like that... I'm a huge fan... he will figure it out, but a lot of this is his fault... it just is.
 
The issue is not Rudy. It is the way we are constructing our offense. We are trying to build a jumpshooting team with severe physical/size limitation. But small lineups only works when you have superstar levels of skills to compensate. Hou has Harden/Paul. Warriors has Steph and Klay. There is simply not enough margin for error when you are not skilled enough or physically gifted enough to cover for your own errors.

This's the reason for us constantly getting killed in transition. Opponents can easily muscle a bunch of turnover/miss shots out of us due to our players not being skilled enough THEN we lack the length and quickness to cover for our own mistakes. How many times have we seen Quin trying to get the players execute pass after pass for almost 20 seconds on the clock just to look for shots, whereas our opponent can score a bunch of quick easy buckets on us by simply muscling their way in.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Probably this
Just hope Rudy will give a discount
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JazzyFresh said:
I say we ride this out until late January before we do or talk about doing anything crazy. If we're still struggling at that point something drastic has to happen.
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I've never ignored anyone first sentence. Congrats!
 
Jazz4ever said:
We can pay him. No one else is coming.
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Us not paying Rudy is like the knicks and kings making moves to keep flexibility or dump salary and then end up signing 75M of Marcus Morris, Bobby PortiS, Rajon Rondo, Elfrid Payton. He’s not LeBron but he’s worth the max or close to it.
 
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