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Can Dante Exum experiment please finally end?

Handlogten's Heros said:
joe has long sustained success as an nba player and is always healthy... Dante has shown flashes then gets hurt... I’ve seen enough to call the flashes what they are... flukes. We should have played hardball on his contract instead we overpaid... should have moved him for value when we had a chance... should have put him in the Conley trade to dump his salary... now here we are.
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In a twisted way, Exum should thank his lucky stars that he's gotten hurt as often as he has. It's the only thing that's kept this "unknown potential" narrative going.

If he would have been healthy throughout his entire rookie contract I think it's fair to say he'd probably be floating around the league a la Trey Burke right about now.
 
candrew said:
In a twisted way, Exum should thank his lucky stars that he's gotten hurt as often as he has. It's the only thing that's kept this "unknown potential" narrative going.

If he would have been healthy throughout his entire rookie contract I think it's fair to say he'd probably be floating around the league a la Trey Burke right about now.
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Possibly... I think he could have at least been useful so I don’t think he’d bounce around but definitely would not have gotten 3/30 if we had a better sample. The timeline with Dante was always too long with the Hayward teams... should have moved him early... the free agency thing is a bit baffling... if he was 6-7M it’s more movable... the third year needed to be a team option... when we were preaching flexibility we gave a less flexible deal than we should have.

We absolutely could have put him in the Conley deal... in either attempt and we didn’t... we overpaid for Mike the least they could do is take our bad deal and let us keep our better salaries.
 
The problem with Dante is that he cost us another player that could've helped us. For example, we would've had more than enough cap space to sign Bogey and Malcolm Brogdon if we weren't committed to paying his ridiculous salary, and that's if the Jazz kept Crowder.

Otherwise, his basketball ability isn't going to be a reason we win or lose. The last week isn't on him.
 
I still think he needs to play 8-10 minutes a game while we still suck, just to see if he can ever be decent, and hopefully boost his trade value. His contract is almost untradeable, and if we’re stuck with him then it’s time to figure out if he’s worth keeping long term.

I still see his potential, and best case is that he can add some needed height next to Mitchell.

However, he’s starting to remind me of Jeff Green-dude has spent the bulk of us career getting by on “potential.”
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Possibly... I think he could have at least been useful so I don’t think he’d bounce around but definitely would not have gotten 3/30 if we had a better sample. The timeline with Dante was always too long with the Hayward teams... should have moved him early... the free agency thing is a bit baffling... if he was 6-7M it’s more movable... the third year needed to be a team option... when we were preaching flexibility we gave a less flexible deal than we should have.

We absolutely could have put him in the Conley deal... in either attempt and we didn’t... we overpaid for Mike the least they could do is take our bad deal and let us keep our better salaries.
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To be clear I think Exum has NBA talent - but there are a couple hundred guys in and out of the league or in Europe with NBA talent.

The constant pressing of the "reset" button every time he gets injured leads to believe there's very little "there" there.
 
Last December he was playing terrific, confident basketball. When he got injured on Jan. 5th at Detroit I felt that was effectively the end of his career, at least with the Jazz.

I think he might play well under a different coaching staff, either in the NBA or overseas, but psychologically, with the injuries and with the way Snyder has "developed" him, he's likely done here.
 
candrew said:
To be clear I think Exum has NBA talent - but there are a couple hundred guys in and out of the league or in Europe with NBA talent.

The constant pressing of the "reset" button every time he gets injured leads to believe there's very little "there" there.
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The only difference I see in him since he came up is that he has put on weight, but he still seems very fragile. He's quick and long and tosses a good lob pass and has quick feet on D. Same as in his rookie year. But his jump shot makes Lonzo Ball look like Kyle Korver. He's become very gun shy when he gets close to the basket, as if he expects contact and is afraid of another injury. I think that's his major problem; his body is not made for the rigor of the NBA. He should've taken up a sport like tennis.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
The only difference I see in him since he came up is that he has put on weight, but he still seems very fragile. He's quick and long and tosses a good lob pass and has quick feet on D. Same as in his rookie year. But his jump shot makes Lonzo Ball look like Kyle Korver. He's become very gun shy when he gets close to the basket, as if he expects contact and is afraid of another injury. I think that's his major problem; his body is not made for the rigor of the NBA. He should've taken up a sport like tennis.
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I'm fairly certain you can count on one hand the number off the bounce jumpers that he's hit his entire NBA career.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
He should've taken up a sport like tennis.
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Or volleyball. Although sometimes they do get hit with the ball so that maybe a no.

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Spinoza said:
Last December he was playing terrific, confident basketball. When he got injured on Jan. 5th at Detroit I felt that was effectively the end of his career, at least with the Jazz.

I think he might play well under a different coaching staff, either in the NBA or overseas, but psychologically, with the injuries and with the way Snyder has "developed" him, he's likely done here.
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He wasn't playing terrific and this isn't Quin's fault. You people are straight up delusional.
 
jope said:
bold statement. Didn’t Lindsey draft Trey Burke over Giannis?
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To be fair, a lot of GM's passed on Giannis because there was just no way of knowing he was going to turn into the most dominant player in the NBA. The reason I think Dante is his biggest mistake is because he just refuses to acknowledge that he's not any good and move on. He re-singed him to a much larger number than he should have, he didn't give himself an out by making the third year of his contract a team option, and he has refused to include him in any trades.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He wasn't playing terrific and this isn't Quin's fault. You people are straight up delusional.
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He was playing well in a line-up that was so easy to play with but he was playing well.

This is nowhere near Quin's fault.
 
Hekate said:
He was playing well in a line-up that was so easy to play with but he was playing well.

This is nowhere near Quin's fault.
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He had two good games during that stretch. One vs Knicks where he started in a 35+ blowout win.... I think he dished career high 13 assists and had his only double double as he scored 10 pts as well, and one in blowout loss vs Phily where he made 3 3-pointers and scored 20+pts or so. That's all we have from him in 5 years. Trey Burke had more better games than Exum for the Jazz and yet we had no issues with letting him go. Not sure why we keep ourselves attached to Exum.
 
MVP said:
He had two good games during that stretch. One vs Knicks where he started in a 35+ blowout win.... I think he dished career high 13 assists and had his only double double as he scored 10 pts as well, and one in blowout loss vs Phily where he made 3 3-pointers and scored 20+pts or so. That's all we have from him in 5 years. Trey Burke had more better games than Exum for the Jazz and yet we had no issues with letting him go. Not sure why we keep ourselves attached to Exum.
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MVP said:
He had two good games during that stretch. One vs Knicks where he started in a 35+ blowout win.... I think he dished career high 13 assists and had his only double double as he scored 10 pts as well, and one in blowout loss vs Phily where he made 3 3-pointers and scored 20+pts or so. That's all we have from him in 5 years. Trey Burke had more better games than Exum for the Jazz and yet we had no issues with letting him go. Not sure why we keep ourselves attached to Exum.
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I remember a game his rookie year where he embarrased DWill when DWill was with the Nets.
 
Hekate said:
He was playing well in a line-up that was so easy to play with but he was playing well.

This is nowhere near Quin's fault.
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He was playing well for a stretch. Nothing spectacular. Nothing fabulous. And in the big picture, it doesn't mean anything. He doesn't deserve a trophy every time he meets the minimum criteria of being an NBA player, which is occasionally playing well.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He wasn't playing terrific and this isn't Quin's fault. You people are straight up delusional.
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He was playing terrific. I was at 2 of the games and watched many of the others. The game logs back up what I saw with my own eyes.

Also, I only partially blamed Snyder. I believe it's mostly the injuries and Exum's own lack of confidence. I don't like the way Snyder hasn't allowed him to play through mistakes. I believe that hurts a player's development, and to that end I put Blane on Snyder.
 
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