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People aren't "DM haters" by criticizing his play. We are all glad and grateful for him. I've been buying his shoes like a beast lately but that doesn't mean I can't call him a chucker at times or when he bull dozes into the lane to get a turnover/get his shot blocked at least once a game
 
I agree. I had hope during his rookie year but he just hasn't quite progressed the way I thought he would.

To start the season he looked like he had made great progress and his shot selection was much better. I think he's been much better on defense this year too... he's progressed incrementally like I thought, but to get to superstar/top ten guy he needed a leap.

The good thing is I think he can get there or close to it... and I think shot selection and reading the defenses better is the key. His shooting has improved across the board, his rebounds are up, his defense is better, and his turnovers are down quite a bit. His assist numbers are the only item that has dipped and I think a couple of those shots turning into passes will go a long way. We've also played the tougher defenses so I expect all of his numbers to come up a bit. He just can't get into chuck mode... I think its when he's struggling or the team is and he tries to shoot out of it. I think its a weird mental fatigue kinda thing.

I feel like he can basically get a pullup three whenever he wants... and he's shooting it fairly well I think if he swapped a couple bad shots for that okay shot that it makes a big difference. I still think there is a superstar top ten player potential in there when you consider both sides of the ball.
 
Its just hard to be his size and enter tgat echelon
There is a lot of truth to this. I think Dame and Steph are there and DM is still in line with Dame's career arc. Not as good of a passer. I wish DM was more explosive off one foot because I think he'd be so much more effective. If he was I'm guessing he would not have fallen to late lottery... so likely not on our roster.

I don't know what "position" suits him best but I do think he'd benefit from having a backcourt mate that was bigger than him... might allow him to get some better matchups. Ricky didn't scare defenses... I think a guy like Derrick White would be really good next to DM... sigh.
 
The problem with trading Dante is paradoxical. If DL sees someone else value him enough to trade for him, he’ll go back and ask himself why he’s trading away someone that other people value, and it will reignite his hope and optimism.

It’s the Dante dilemma. The catch 22. The “we’re ****ed but we’re ‘being aggressive’” idea.

For reference, please see NWG. “Oh, other GMs are interested in his rights? Gotta sign him. See you later, Neto.”

And it's all tied to his draft position. It effects the most casual fan all the way up to the top of the chain.
 
I'll say this much; the only thing I have less interest in than rebuilding is having some ******** Kobe/Shaq beef between two players that aren't as good on a .500 team. They better get their **** together, and if I'm picking sides, it's Gobert.

Preach on, brotha.
 
As much as Cy is right about the height issue, Donovan is still vital to us. We point out some of the bad habits that have creeped back into his game because we care, far from actually having hate for him.

My bigger concern is along the height issue, in the playoffs. How do we hide Mike Conley against the ridiculously tall and talented playoff teams?
 
As much as Cy is right about the height issue, Donovan is still vital to us. We point out some of the bad habits that have creeped back into his game because we care, far from actually having hate for him.

My bigger concern is along the height issue, in the playoffs. How do we hide Mike Conley against the ridiculously tall and talented playoff teams?
U can't hide him. Jazz just aren't as good as the elite teams. They have no superstar and bogey is the best offensive player but Donovan won't let him be that.
 
DM started the season super efficient with more assists and talked about working on it over the summer. He's been looking in the mirror and will get back to basics imo.

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It's amazing how quickly fans turn on players.

Donovan is the best young talent we have ever had. We brought in Conley to help Donovan, and he has done so much of the opposite. The summer strain of the world championships has taken their toll. We seem mentally fatigued.

Right now, we just aren't clicking. We aren't gelling. I think eventually, we will figure it out. Gobert needs to set screens, get the lob when it's there but don't whine for his touches. Conley needs to step up. Bojan learn the offense a little better. Quin coach better.

Donovan has to play better, but he is our future. He is a badass. Don't turn on him.

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Didn't you just make a thread like yesterday about trading our best player? Now you're lecturing people about not turning on players.
 
He needs to be more of a creator. He's not Steph Curry. He needs to stop pretending he is and play to his strengths.
 
Also, if there’s any validity to NY having any openness to swapping Morris for Exum/Bradley then that needs to be executed as soon as Morris’ contract is able to be moved. Do it before Dolan stumbles across a homeless palm reader who pulls his head out of his ***. Of course, DL May have his own homeless palm reader telling him not to do it.
 
Our best offensive player, by a large margin, is Bogdanovic. someone just needs to tell Mitchell that. I know which player I would prefer getting the more shots.
 
I’ve wanted Morris since the offseason. I think he is perfect for this team.

I’m a yes, if Xanny asks.
 
Also, if there’s any validity to NY having any openness to swapping Morris for Exum/Bradley then that needs to be executed as soon as Morris’ contract is able to be moved. Do it before Dolan stumbles across a homeless palm reader who pulls his head out of his ***. Of course, DL May have his own homeless palm reader telling him not to do it.
Was watching some of the knicks stuff today and apparently it was Morris who called the players only meeting to tell the guys they needed to play harder... it was pre-firing so he said they needed to play for coach. Kinda made me feel better about him. Honestly any expiring contract for Dante is a good deal for us... if it comes with Morris I think 99% of the board would jump on it... chemistry is already garbage. Why not?
 
Was watching some of the knicks stuff today and apparently it was Morris who called the players only meeting to tell the guys they needed to play harder... it was pre-firing so he said they needed to play for coach. Kinda made me feel better about him. Honestly any expiring contract for Dante is a good deal for us... if it comes with Morris I think 99% of the board would jump on it... chemistry is already garbage. Why not?
Also, maybe he'll have the nuts to get on Mitchell for freezing everyone out. At this point, someone besides Gobert should.
 
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