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Good article in The Ringer - With Mike Conley Out, Donovan Mitchell Is Pointing the Jazz in the Righ

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I'd point to 3 topics that had us struggle to start the year:

#1 Conley struggling
#2 Ingles struggling (playing with a terrible bench)
#3 Terrible bench

Ingles back in the starting line-up seems to have cured his issues and we've strengthened and changed the bench for the better. So I don't like people saying we've found the groove without Conley. More so we corrected those other two issues (and the cake schedule).
 
Outside of LAC we really haven't beaten anybody and have had our issues putting crappy teams away. As I said in another thread, we're a pretty good team but nowhere near championship caliber. I think we are kidding ourselves if we think this team couldn't use more help. I mean, we barely beat the Bulls and have struggled with the Hawks, Hornets, Magic and hell we were on the ropes against the the worst team in the league Golden State.

This team is still figuring it out to this day and sadly people are too quick to judge Conley and blame him for our earlier struggles. It wasn't just him, and it's still not just him. It takes until January every single season for this team to hit it's stride. Sadly Conley is not afforded the luxury to play and learn with the rest of them but there is no doubt come later in the season he will be needed and he will perform.
 
That article was really incisive. It really supports the point that the Jazz would be better off replacing Conley with a solid 4-5 player like Favors, Love, or Horford and letting Donovan take over the PG position (he's also demonstrably better when he plays the point position -- the stats support the eyeball test). Note the minus +/- with Gobert off the floor that wasn't occurring last year when we had Favors to backup Gobert.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Outside of LAC we really haven't beaten anybody and have had our issues putting crappy teams away.
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This is what drives me crazy about the Jazz so far. It seems like there's almost no lead that they can't squander. An opposing defense gets them playing helter skelter and they just start missing shots and turning the ball over. And even though they're winning these games now the other thing that sucks about that is we almost never get a chance for the young guys to play and develop because the games are too close at the end.
 
I know everybody wants to blow out everybody we face, but we've done more than fine in our recent stretch against meh teams.
 
We played a very difficult schedule where Conley and Ingles were struggling, Rudy seemed a bit frustrated and Donovan was trying too hard.

we are now playing an easier schedule, Ingles is starting and back alive, Donovan has his game back under control like the first 2-3 of the season were, changes in the bench and Rudy is fully engaged.

So yeah, let’s make it all about Conley...
 
Also, I fully disagree with the sentiment that the Jazz are okay without Mike. It's a dumb stance. The Jazz have beat some bad teams. We will need Mike to beat good ones especially in the playoffs.
 
I would be receptive to seeing if Joe can reprise his bench role if the Jazz can land/develop a big that can pick-and-score. Bradley hasn't been bad. I do think there is a too-many-cooks issue with the Conley-Mitchell-Ingles-Bojan-Gobert lineup. Bojan would basically have to resign himself to not dribbling the basketball or Conley would have to yield a ton of control, because taking playmaking duties out of the hands of Mitchell or Ingles is a straight-up mistake.

And on second thought, benching Ingles is a non-starter. Even if he was good coming off the bench, what he does for Rudy is invaluable.

Conley's got to learn to play off ball and defend his *** off in that unit, then be given the reigns in the second unit. It's "painfully obvious" as @NAOS said.
 
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Zombie said:
This might not be the worst thing
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Which is why he'd be the one to yield, but he's been good for us as a secondary playmaker. I mean, he was critical in keeping the Jazz alive in the 4th last night on iso's.
 
dipship31 said:
I'd point to 3 topics that had us struggle to start the year:

#1 Conley struggling
#2 Ingles struggling (playing with a terrible bench)
#3 Terrible bench

Ingles back in the starting line-up seems to have cured his issues and we've strengthened and changed the bench for the better. So I don't like people saying we've found the groove without Conley. More so we corrected those other two issues (and the cake schedule).
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Playing with Conley, when he’s back will hurt Ingles some
 
dipship31 said:
I'd point to 3 topics that had us struggle to start the year:

#1 Conley struggling
#2 Ingles struggling (playing with a terrible bench)
#3 Terrible bench

Ingles back in the starting line-up seems to have cured his issues and we've strengthened and changed the bench for the better. So I don't like people saying we've found the groove without Conley. More so we corrected those other two issues (and the cake schedule).
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And we corrected those issues without Conley. And Conley went down before correcting the "Conley struggling" issue. So he comes back and we still have a major issue. Also, the bench is only kind of fixed, not entirely. so 1 1/2 issues left. If Conley doesn't come back then is his absence viewed as an issue or not? That's the big question.
 
I just wanted to point out, that during the games I complain about many of the same things and how the Jazz have to play better, which is true. However some of the things said in here helps me keep things in perspective, such as. The LAC they lost to CHI just the other week and lost to OKC also HOU has lost to GSW not almost like the Jazz.

So while the Jazz aren't playing like contenders I would also say contenders don't play like contenders all the time. Also while it can be frustrating when they don't play well against some of these not so good or bad teams it is a sign of a good team that you can win on the road despite not playing well.....

That is all.
 
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I just wanted to point out, that during the games I complain about many of the same things and how the Jazz have to play better, which is true. However some of the things said in here helps me keep things in perspective, such as. The LAC they lost to CHI just the other week and lost to OKC also HOU has lost to GSW not almost like the Jazz.

So while the Jazz aren't playing like contenders I would also say contenders don't play like contenders all the time. Also while it can be frustrating when they don't play well against some of these not so good or bad teams it is a sign of a good team that you can win on the road despite not playing well.....

That is all.
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There isn't such thing as a bad win, and road wins are always good wins.
 
We are not OK, with or without Conley. We are still missing some key pieces to be truly championship contending, and Conley is not the one.
 
Jingled said:
We've only played 4 teams above .500 since Conley's been out and we went 1-3 against them. Lets not get carried away.
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We've lost 3 game against team below .500 before Conley went out and we've lost 0 since. And his numbers in those 3 games were 5 of 19, 6 of 15 and 5 of 13.

And let's not pretend Conley's any good against good teams either. We are 4-6 with him and besides a 29pt explosion against a clipper team that were missing their 2 stars, Conley was 1 of 16, 2 of 10, 3 of 11, 6 of 15, 2 of 10, 2 of 8, and 3 of 9 in those games. He was 7 of 13 versus Toronto but that was during a game in which we got blown out by 40 at the half and the game was pretty much over. So they stopped playing defense and let Conley have his way.
 
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