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fishonjazz said:
You missed the point of my post.
I was saying that I see this ALL THE TIME from Trumpers. He and his people can do no wrong in the eyes of the trumper. Ever.

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You missed the point of my post. I was saying that I see this ALL THE TIME from never Trumpers. They reinterpret everything in the worst possible light to feed their hatred. It doesn't even matter if a perfectly reasonable explanation is available (as there is in the case we were discussing).

And assuming that you believe I am a Trumper I will now blow your theory of Trumpers out of the water. Trump needs to log out of twitter because he comes off as an idiot on a regular basis. Trump needs to ratchet down the confrontation with Dems about a thousand percent because he is playing a huge role in creating the terrible political environment we face. Trump need to lighten up on the way he talks about the media because even though I can understand why he is so angry with them, he is not helping the situation. Trump does a lot wrong in my eyes.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You missed the point of my post. I was saying that I see this ALL THE TIME from never Trumpers. They reinterpret everything in the worst possible light to feed their hatred. It doesn't even matter if a perfectly reasonable explanation is available (as there is in the case we were discussing).

And assuming that you believe I am a Trumper I will now blow your theory of Trumpers out of the water. Trump needs to log out of twitter because he comes off as an idiot on a regular basis. Trump needs to ratchet down the confrontation with Dems about a thousand percent because he is playing a huge role in creating the terrible political environment we face. Trump need to lighten up on the way he talks about the media because even though I can understand why he is so angry with them, he is not helping the situation. Trump does a lot wrong in my eyes.
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Reinterpret? Nope. Simply listen to what the person says.
As to the second part of your post. That's good to hear. You should call him out on more often instead of only defending him.

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fishonjazz said:
Reinterpret? Nope. Simply listen to what the person says.
As to the second part of your post. That's good to hear. You should call him out on more often instead of only defending him.

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Every time someone listens to someone they "interperet" what the other person is saying. Every time the media listens to someone they "reinterperet" it for their audience. Every time Trump or someone associated with Trump says something outlets like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc. reinterperet the words in the worst possible light. They are obscenely biased in their reporting.

I have called Trump out for those sorts of things. I've even done it recently in this very thread (not just in the post that you are responding to).
 
What happened to respecting the anthem?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article239913588.html

Donald Trump has repeatedly said all Americans should “stand proudly” during the national anthem, and publicly chastises those who don’t as disrespectful of the troops.

But during the national anthem at his own Super Bowl watch party Sunday night, a brief video posted to Instagram shows Trump greeting guests, adjusting his chair, and straightening his suit jacket as other attendees — including first lady Melania Trump and their teenage son — stand with their hands over their hearts. As “The Star Spangled Banner” crescendoes, Trump raises both of his hands in the air, and twirls them around as if conducting the music.
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Watch the video through the link above
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Every time someone listens to someone they "interperet" what the other person is saying. Every time the media listens to someone they "reinterperet" it for their audience. Every time Trump or someone associated with Trump says something outlets like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc. reinterperet the words in the worst possible light. They are obscenely biased in their reporting.

I have called Trump out for those sorts of things. I've even done it recently in this very thread (not just in the post that you are responding to).
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Ya I listened to the dude and interpreted what he said. I didn't reinterpret anything.
You listened to him reinterpret himself and took that for truth.

He said two different things in two different places to two different people.
I'm going to go with the one he said in court over the one he said to fox news

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The Thriller said:
What happened to respecting the anthem?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article239913588.html



Watch the video through the link above
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But but but.... That was taken out of context. He didn't really mean to. Later he told fox news that he actually stood at attention with his hand over his heart and that video was just fake news so I'm going to reinterpret his actions as super respectful to the anthem

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JazzyFresh said:
Trump and Russia(you guys)- " this is rigged, this is bad, I'm crying over a conspiracy!!! 3 year investigation!!"

DNC and Bernie 2015- "let's sweep this rigging under the rug, we are ok with the DNC 100% rigging"

DNC and Bernie 2019-
Main stream media and the DNC- "hey idiots we are blatantly, right in front of your face, openly rigging this election again. Look over there though sheep, Trump said something we're going to take out of context."

You guy(robotic voice)- "yes master... rigging is fine... we love rigging... Trump bad... Master good"
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Tons of people, democrats, were pissed. Many of them stayed home, didn't vote because of it. Show me someone who was "fine" with it.

But let's be clear on something, the DNC is NOT a government entity and primaries for their party are not held to the same legal standard as the general election.
 
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
In your reality the fact that it's clear what Dershowitz really meant doesn't matter. Instead you and others like you want to cling to a soundbite that allows you to feel damaged despite the fact that what he really meant makes perfect sense once you allow him to clear up the misunderstanding.
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Here is my take on what he (Dershowitz) did. He meant what he said in the moment. He was floating a trial balloon to see if it would get shot down. When there was an immediate negative reaction, he backtracked and gave a plausible explanation for the statement. Had there been no negative feedback, he would not have changed/clarified his statement.
It is still in the congressional record. Did he care enough to request a correction to the record? Someone who cares could look that up, if they wanted to. I don't care enough to do it myself.
This kind of thing happens all the time when administrations want to test ideas.
My problem is not with the lawyers. They are doing their best to win their case. That's what lawyers do. My problem is with the Senators who act like this is a nothing burger. They agree that the House made its case and they don't need to hear additional evidence. Then they say it doesn't matter just because there is an election around the corner and the people can decide. Ignoring the fact that the President was cheating in that very election.
There is now zero incentive for the President to abide by any rule or law in his efforts win this election. Of course this is the height of hypocrisy. Is there anyone who believes for one second that if any Democrat acted with the same disregard for election laws, they would receive the same carte blanche? The Republican party has forfeited all their moral authority by this power politics play.
 
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
I was not aware of this. If true, I agree with you that is not a reasonable argument. Do you have a link to the original text?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/opinion/trump-trial-impeachment.html

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...owitz-the-supreme-court-could-overturn-trumps

“Assume [Russian President Vladimir] Putin decides to ‘retake’ Alaska, the way he ‘retook’ Crimea. Assume further that a president allows him to do it, because he believed that Russia has a legitimate claim to ‘its’ original territory,” Dershowitz writes. “That would be terrible, but would it be impeachable? Not under the text of the Constitution.”
 
Zombie said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/opinion/trump-trial-impeachment.html

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...owitz-the-supreme-court-could-overturn-trumps

“Assume [Russian President Vladimir] Putin decides to ‘retake’ Alaska, the way he ‘retook’ Crimea. Assume further that a president allows him to do it, because he believed that Russia has a legitimate claim to ‘its’ original territory,” Dershowitz writes. “That would be terrible, but would it be impeachable? Not under the text of the Constitution.”
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Interesting. He may be correct that it would not be impeachable under the constitution. Clearly he agrees with us that it would be terrible. I think it's cosmically unlikely that any such scenario would ever happen so it's not really worth worrying about.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Interesting. He may be correct that it would not be impeachable under the constitution. Clearly he agrees with us that it would be terrible. I think it's cosmically unlikely that any such scenario would ever happen so it's not really worth worrying about.
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Lmao. Of course that particular scenario is unlikely but its a good example of how ludicrous his position is. Russia could march troops into our country with our presidents permission and we'd all just have to stand idly by until the next election day? FOH.

"He may be correct it's not impeachable."

Good lord. If something like this isn't impeachable then what the **** is even the point of impeachment?
 
Zombie said:
Lmao. Of course that particular scenario is unlikely but its a good example of how ludicrous his position is. Russia could march troops into our country with our presidents permission and we'd all just have to stand idly by until the next election day? FOH.

"He may be correct it's not impeachable."

Good lord. If something like this isn't impeachable then what the **** is even the point of impeachment?
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you’re arguing with an irrational person.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Impeach!
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What's the point? Impeachment is completely worthless. Trump can literally do whatever he wants and there will be no repercussions due to the Senate believing the president can do whatever he wants without repercussions.

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Gameface said:
Tons of people, democrats, were pissed. Many of them stayed home, didn't vote because of it. Show me someone who was "fine: with it.

But let's be clear on something, the DNC is NOT a government entity and primaries for their party are not held to the same legal standard as the general election.
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whatever happened to leadership? Whatever happened to integrity? So if the Dems sucked in 2016 that somehow justifies cheating for Trump?

I’ll never understand people who use the actions of “the other party” to justify gross actions by their own parties. Hypocrisy isn’t cool. But apparently, for republicans, hypocrisy is actually encouraged. Just last night a bunch of them spoke out against the halftime show. People who everyday worship trump, were upset that Jennifer Lopez and Shakira shook their butts? Ummm
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It is ridiculous that you are so determined to hold him to an interpretation of his words that obviously makes so much less sense than his clarification.
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It takes no determination, no effort whatsoever, to understand what was clearly and simply articulated by a thoughtful and clear communicator.

it takes extraordinary effort to to sustain the cognitive dissonance required to constantly rationalize explanations that contradict clear messages. But trump apologists seem to have this schizophrenic ability.
 
Go to any sporting event. A small number of people are paying any attention to the anthem. They are in line, ordering food, talking, walking behind the stands.

How many people who are standing with hand over heart are thinking of love for country or honoring the flag? A few, maybe. They are doing it because it is a social norm. Period.

zero outrage.

Most of the dream team did not cover their heart with hand (including David Robinson).

if people were really concerned with the anthem, they would be outraged 24-7.
 
silesian said:
It takes no determination, no effort whatsoever, to understand what was clearly and simply articulated by a thoughtful and clear communicator.

it takes extraordinary effort to to sustain the cognitive dissonance required to constantly rationalize explanations that contradict clear messages. But trump apologists seem to have this schizophrenic ability.
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I disagree. I think it appears to take extraordinary effort and schizophrenic ability to consistently freak out over everything Trump related, but to each his own.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I disagree. I think it appears to take extraordinary effort and schizophrenic ability to consistently freak out over everything Trump related, but to each his own.
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You stay calm as the trump ship goes down and takes the sycophantic rats with him.
 
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