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SCS said:


We're definitely trash. We stand no chance at all. Purge this team. :rolleyes:
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we’re currently the 5th seed and might drop to the 7th seed after these next 3 games. Our position in the standings matter more than whatever weirdo state you’re retweeting.
 
SCS said:


We're definitely trash. We stand no chance at all. Purge this team. :rolleyes:
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I’m not sure what math they used here, but this is either not true or doesn’t say what you think it does... for example the current starting lineup has a net rating of like +2.5... so whatevs... we are 9-15 against plus .500 teams.
 
SCS said:
We haven't been beaten by 5 good teams. Portland and San Antonio are both below .500.

We lost to 2 good teams. Denver and Houston.

And we beat the best team of the bunch, Dallas.
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That doesn’t make it better... makes it worse. We aren’t contenders... our net rating this year is worse than last year...
 
The Thriller said:
we’re currently the 5th seed and might drop to the 7th seed after these next 3 games. Our position in the standings matter more than whatever weirdo state you’re retweeting.
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When you add three colors together you get brown. I’m cool with lineup data but not sure what this is... like you could add in Niang for Conley then what.
 
I miss crowder and Favors. Last year’s team was so much more enjoyable to watch.

With the exception of the time when Conley was hurt and we played a bunch of crappy teams, this team has been unbearable to watch all season long. I haven’t been this discouraged since the year we lost Memo and Boozer, gained Big Al, and DRose smashed deron’s ankle which led us down a dark path...

I have a sinking feeling that the Conley trade was a make or break move that is clearly is breaking us. I don’t know how this team can be gutted in the Gobert/Mitchell era. Without draft picks and assets, I’m unsure what our options are. But it desperately needs it.

We are clearly not a title contender yet don’t have the young talent (like Dallas or New Orleans) to become one in the next few years. We seem destined to be a 1st round punching bag until we finally lose one of our two big stars and tank.
 
Quin is an overrated coach.
The Thriller said:
I miss crowder and Favors. Last year’s team was so much more enjoyable to watch.

With the exception of the time when Conley was hurt and we played a bunch of crappy teams, this team has been unbearable to watch all season long. I haven’t been this discouraged since the year we lost Memo and Boozer, gained Big Al, and DRose smashed deron’s ankle which led us down a dark path...

I have a sinking feeling that the Conley trade was a make or break move that is clearly is breaking us. I don’t know how this team can be gutted in the Gobert/Mitchell era. Without draft picks and assets, I’m unsure what our options are. But it desperately needs it.

We are clearly not a title contender yet don’t have the young talent (like Dallas or New Orleans) to become one in the next few years. We seem destined to be a 1st round punching bag until we finally lose one of our two big stars and tank.
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Hard to argue with this logic. I just don't know what options are available without either A) trading one of Rudy/Donny or B) one of them getting hurt and tanking for a year. Kind of sad that GS will be reloaded next year with a top 5 pick. We never tank right, and when we do, we draft Exum or Kanter.
 
Last thought here... I would have thought you could pry a guy like Shaq Harrison from the Bulls with either money or a second. Having a big wing that can pass, plays great defense, and is a bad shooter, but improving would do a ton for the bench. Outside of Royce... the bench group has no one that is a positive on defense and has a couple guys that are very negative.

There were some low level deals that we could have forced the issue on that would have made a material difference potentially. If we roll out Niang and Tony Bradley tonight I'll be pissed... we have to change things up and an energy guy in the second unit would change things dramatically.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That doesn’t make it better... makes it worse. We aren’t contenders... our net rating this year is worse than last year...
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So basically you're just talking in circles. First it's we can't beat good teams and the last 5 prove it.... "we'll just beat the bad teams". Then when proven wrong it's "oh that's worse" lol.

Jazz net rating last season: +5.2
Jazz net rating this season: +4.0

Jazz net rating since the Clarkson trade including the 5 game losing streak: +8.1.... 2ND IN THE NBA.
 
SCS said:
So basically you're just talking in circles. First it's we can't beat good teams and the last 5 prove it.... "we'll just beat the bad teams". Then when proven wrong it's "oh that's worse" lol.

Jazz net rating last season: +5.2
Jazz net rating this season: +4.0

Jazz net rating since the Clarkson trade including the 5 game losing streak: +8.1.... 2ND IN THE NBA.
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Not really... I said our record against good teams is bad... you said we lost to some bad teams in the 0-5 stretch... that isn't any better. How a team performs against +.500 teams is an indicator of playoff success.

The lineup top 7 that twitter person put out there is gobbly gook. Here is what I am pointing to...

- The starting lineup of DM, Joe, Royce, Bojan, Rudy has a +18.3 net rating... one of the best lineups in the league.
- Sub in Mike for Royce in that lineup - it is a +2.6
- Sub out DM and sub in Mike - its +10.4 (still good but worse than the other alignments).
- Take Joe out and sub Royce back in and its a +13.6

So yes... these alignments are all positive... we've chosen the worst one by far to be our starting lineup because "it gives us the most upside" and "its Mike effing Conley". Starting does matter because those lineups will get more run on a night to night basis and when you have to work things around to get to your best lineup it limits how much time spent on the floor.

So the top 7 is still good, but there are some clear fit issues and merging that much data together isn't useful. It is also hard to find lineups featuring Rudy that are negative. Its like me saying that between me and Michael Jordan we have 6 nba championships. Of the top 7 guys, Rudy has the worst +- with Mike. It also ignores that other holes on the roster are causing big issues that give away the separation those guys create... it also ignores that while rotations shrink in the playoffs that unless guys have defensive versatility you can't just throw them out there and make it work.

We aren't trash... we are good. We are not a contender... those top 7 being great only reiterates my belief that we needed to upgrade the 8th and 9th players.

But yeah we are a contender... we can beat anyone... even though we don't.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not really... I said our record against good teams is bad... you said we lost to some bad teams in the 0-5 stretch... that isn't any better. How a team performs against +.500 teams is an indicator of playoff success.

The lineup top 7 that twitter person put out there is gobbly gook. Here is what I am pointing to...

- The starting lineup of DM, Joe, Royce, Bojan, Rudy has a +18.3 net rating... one of the best lineups in the league.
- Sub in Mike for Royce in that lineup - it is a +2.6
- Sub out DM and sub in Mike - its +10.4 (still good but worse than the other alignments).
- Take Joe out and sub Royce back in and its a +13.6

So yes... these alignments are all positive... we've chosen the worst one by far to be our starting lineup because "it gives us the most upside" and "its Mike effing Conley". Starting does matter because those lineups will get more run on a night to night basis and when you have to work things around to get to your best lineup it limits how much time spent on the floor.

So the top 7 is still good, but there are some clear fit issues and merging that much data together isn't useful. It is also hard to find lineups featuring Rudy that are negative. Its like me saying that between me and Michael Jordan we have 6 nba championships. Of the top 7 guys, Rudy has the worst +- with Mike. It also ignores that other holes on the roster are causing big issues that give away the separation those guys create... it also ignores that while rotations shrink in the playoffs that unless guys have defensive versatility you can't just throw them out there and make it work.

We aren't trash... we are good. We are not a contender... those top 7 being great only reiterates my belief that we needed to upgrade the 8th and 9th players.

But yeah we are a contender... we can beat anyone... even though we don't.
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The only one who Conley could replace in our starting lineup is DM. Can't move anyone else without making us significantly worse.
 
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