Ouch! That's rough. Also that's a big *** crayfish! People do eat a ton of those in China... Including me.
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The Thriller
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Yeah, I understand he has cool titles. I included them in my previous post. But his opinions are wildly wrong. Did you see what he said about Ukraine for example? I included it in my previous post.
this is good reading.
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Apparently, you didn't listen, based on this comment. He does not just have cool titles. If he was responsible for that law, don't you think he would have intimate knowledge about the production of biological warfare and where it was being done? I listened to the entire interview and he has a lot of insight about government malfeasance. Just because the Washington Post publishes something doesn't mean they're right. Look at the misinformation they published about Bernie and their touting of Hillary last Presidential primary. Even the NYT and WP are tools of the establishment. I only scanned the article below, but it does show more than just opinion why the virus may actually have been man-made -- it closes with a rather satirical comment. And Boyle did stress that he was expressing his opinion and was not absolutely certain. You have a knee jerk tendency to oppose any "conspiratorial" ideas just on face value. The trouble with that is many supposed conspiracy theories are basically correct, or have a germ of truth (the government has used doublethink to euphemize and demonize the word conspiracy). You need to examine them case-by-case.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ing-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
The Thriller
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you don’t get to dismiss my comments and accuse me of not listening. This man has made numerous outlandish claims. He’s claimed that Iran should sue the United States, Israel is committing genocide, and the 2014 Ukrainian election was a CIA coup. You are either ignoring those outlandish claims because you want the Coronavirus conspiracy to be true or you’re so stupid that agree with his past conspiracies. So which is it?
Given that history, we can safely assume he’s chucking another conspiracy bomb about Coronavirus.
Zerohedge isn’t a reputable website.
Just because something isn’t mainstream doesn’t mean it’s reputable. The Post and Times are far more accurate and reputable than the nonsense blogs and fake news websites we’ve seen you use before.
The Thriller
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Here’s zerohedge’s mission statement.
I haven’t found how they’re funded yet. Which is funny. A media which prides itself on “liberating oppressed knowledge” seems fine in oppressing information about who’s funding it and what potential bias that might bring.
But do you not see the problems with reliability if a “news agency” is allowed to post whatever crap they want under pseudonyms? You don’t have an issue with that?
let’s look at some of their headlines and search by topic. I’ve posted screenshots:
So my guess is this website is a fake news website used by conspiracy theorists and is loosely tied with the alt right and anarchists. I suspect Russia may subsidize them too. Let’s dig in!
wow how unsurprising. How bad of a news source must you be to be banned from fecebook and twitter?
While I haven’t found reputable websites that have explicitly stated that Zero Hedge is acting as a front to spew pro-Russian propaganda, there is sufficient data to assume such. Just look at their headlines.
Lets find out more about ZeroHedge’s founder(s):
So a website founded by unethical criminals for insider training founded a website that clearly violates basic journalistic norms?
A website that focuses on clicks more than accuracy?
A website where their own contributors admit to mainstream news sources that they felt pressure to frame their articles to attack the United States, praise Russia, and generally spew conspiracy is where you think you’ll fine true and accurate information about Coronavirus?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-142730165.html
I haven’t found how they’re funded yet. Which is funny. A media which prides itself on “liberating oppressed knowledge” seems fine in oppressing information about who’s funding it and what potential bias that might bring.
But do you not see the problems with reliability if a “news agency” is allowed to post whatever crap they want under pseudonyms? You don’t have an issue with that?
let’s look at some of their headlines and search by topic. I’ve posted screenshots:
- here’s one of its leading headlines, calling Mayor Pete a CIA asset.
- Here’s another headline misinforming about Ukraine and attacking Biden.
- Here’s another defending Assange (because of course).
- Here’s another defending Putin (because of course. You can’t have an anti-establishment fake news website without defending Putin).
So my guess is this website is a fake news website used by conspiracy theorists and is loosely tied with the alt right and anarchists. I suspect Russia may subsidize them too. Let’s dig in!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
wow how unsurprising. How bad of a news source must you be to be banned from fecebook and twitter?
While I haven’t found reputable websites that have explicitly stated that Zero Hedge is acting as a front to spew pro-Russian propaganda, there is sufficient data to assume such. Just look at their headlines.
Lets find out more about ZeroHedge’s founder(s):
So a website founded by unethical criminals for insider training founded a website that clearly violates basic journalistic norms?
A website that focuses on clicks more than accuracy?
A website where their own contributors admit to mainstream news sources that they felt pressure to frame their articles to attack the United States, praise Russia, and generally spew conspiracy is where you think you’ll fine true and accurate information about Coronavirus?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-142730165.html
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"It’s that time. Time to talk about random viruses. I’ve been putting this post off for like a month but that’s probably ultimately a good thing since we know more about this virus with every week that people are able to study it. So what do you actually need to know about the new Coronavirus?
Mostly people haven’t paid a huge amount of attention to this family of viruses, with one notable exception being the SARS outbreak a few years back, but these are relatively common viruses that have been around since forever and (at least initially) primarily cause respiratory illness. They’re also in the “zoonotic” category, meaning they typically infect animals that aren’t people and then at some point make the jump to being able to infect people and just travel between people. We tend to worry about these things more when they can jump from person to person, because people, unlike chickens, are constantly flying all over the world and bringing viruses to new locales.
The new Coronavirus has a higher reproductive rate than SARS or the flu, which basically means it can make new viruses faster. Right now the mortality rate for the new Coronavirus is loosely calculated at just over 2%, which you have to take with a grain of salt because these aren’t easy things to calculate, but this is higher than the current flu mortality rate. At the same time, there is way less Coronavirus out there in the universe than flu. More than ten times as many people have died from the flu in the same span of time that this new Coronavirus has been active. The frightening thing with new viruses is that you can’t necessarily predict what they’re going to do, so even though it is objectively a much smaller threat than influenza at the moment, it could always spread unexpectedly and become a much bigger problem than it already is. But I guess the take home message is that if you don’t spend a significant portion of your day being scared of the seasonal flu, you shouldn’t spend your time being scared of the novel Coronavirus.
Regardless, prevention is by far the best medicine for viruses and the steps you take to prevent coming down with Coronavirus are the same steps you should be taking to prevent coming down with the flu, and so this is worth your time and energy.
First: Wash your hands. I can’t stress this enough. Somehow as a society we have decided that it’s important to disinfect our floors (it is not) but we’ll walk around touching things in public and then directly go eat a sandwich (don’t do that). Hands are our biggest disease vectors by far. Wash them when you get home. Wash them before you eat. Wash them with soap and make a bunch of suds. When you can’t wash them, carry hand sanitizer. I ride public transit around Boston every day and I carry a little bottle of the Purell Healthcare Disinfecting Spray in my pocket and furtively spray my hands every time I get off whatever disease-ridden tin can I’ve been riding in because public transportation is unreasonably disgusting. And teach your little people to wash their hands because the only thing more infectious than public transportation is an elementary school.
After washing your hands, the next best thing you can do for your immune system is to get enough sleep. There’s a lot of weird mythos about things like Vitamin C or elderberry and how they will help your immune system be its best self but the truth is that when you dig through the scientific literature, there’s really only one thing that has been shown to have a clear and direct link to proper immune system functioning and that is sleep. So go to bed. After you wash your hands.
And finally, if you suspect that you might have a serious viral infection, contact a doctor. We don’t have great antiviral drugs but they are definitely better than nothing and when all else fails, supportive care saves a huge number of lives. If you have a less severe viral infection and your job sucks and makes you come in, wear a mask. Masks aren’t necessarily effective at keeping an uninfected person from getting sick but they definitely help people who are already sick from transmitting infection. And then wash your hands some more because seriously, this is where you need to concentrate all of your energy. This is a virus that spreads by aerosols but frankly, you can’t do anything about that short of staying away from everyone, and a lot of aerosol particles make their way into your face via your hands, so I still think this is your best use of energy.
The last thing I want to mention is that this is not a hardy virus that lives for extended periods of time on surfaces, hanging out, waiting to infect people, so you can kill it with virtually any disinfectant and anything that sits out and dries for more than a little while it shouldn’t be infectious. There are some reports that it might be able to live for several days but I feel like this is unlikely and generally I wouldn’t worry about, say, shipments from overseas.
So in summary, wash your hands, try not to panic, and go to bed on time. This is basically my life advice about all things."
Further reading for data junkies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32052514
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30920354
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"It’s that time. Time to talk about random viruses. I’ve been putting this post off for like a month but that’s probably ultimately a good thing since we know more about this virus with every week that people are able to study it. So what do you actually need to know about the new Coronavirus?
Mostly people haven’t paid a huge amount of attention to this family of viruses, with one notable exception being the SARS outbreak a few years back, but these are relatively common viruses that have been around since forever and (at least initially) primarily cause respiratory illness. They’re also in the “zoonotic” category, meaning they typically infect animals that aren’t people and then at some point make the jump to being able to infect people and just travel between people. We tend to worry about these things more when they can jump from person to person, because people, unlike chickens, are constantly flying all over the world and bringing viruses to new locales.
The new Coronavirus has a higher reproductive rate than SARS or the flu, which basically means it can make new viruses faster. Right now the mortality rate for the new Coronavirus is loosely calculated at just over 2%, which you have to take with a grain of salt because these aren’t easy things to calculate, but this is higher than the current flu mortality rate. At the same time, there is way less Coronavirus out there in the universe than flu. More than ten times as many people have died from the flu in the same span of time that this new Coronavirus has been active. The frightening thing with new viruses is that you can’t necessarily predict what they’re going to do, so even though it is objectively a much smaller threat than influenza at the moment, it could always spread unexpectedly and become a much bigger problem than it already is. But I guess the take home message is that if you don’t spend a significant portion of your day being scared of the seasonal flu, you shouldn’t spend your time being scared of the novel Coronavirus.
Regardless, prevention is by far the best medicine for viruses and the steps you take to prevent coming down with Coronavirus are the same steps you should be taking to prevent coming down with the flu, and so this is worth your time and energy.
First: Wash your hands. I can’t stress this enough. Somehow as a society we have decided that it’s important to disinfect our floors (it is not) but we’ll walk around touching things in public and then directly go eat a sandwich (don’t do that). Hands are our biggest disease vectors by far. Wash them when you get home. Wash them before you eat. Wash them with soap and make a bunch of suds. When you can’t wash them, carry hand sanitizer. I ride public transit around Boston every day and I carry a little bottle of the Purell Healthcare Disinfecting Spray in my pocket and furtively spray my hands every time I get off whatever disease-ridden tin can I’ve been riding in because public transportation is unreasonably disgusting. And teach your little people to wash their hands because the only thing more infectious than public transportation is an elementary school.
After washing your hands, the next best thing you can do for your immune system is to get enough sleep. There’s a lot of weird mythos about things like Vitamin C or elderberry and how they will help your immune system be its best self but the truth is that when you dig through the scientific literature, there’s really only one thing that has been shown to have a clear and direct link to proper immune system functioning and that is sleep. So go to bed. After you wash your hands.
And finally, if you suspect that you might have a serious viral infection, contact a doctor. We don’t have great antiviral drugs but they are definitely better than nothing and when all else fails, supportive care saves a huge number of lives. If you have a less severe viral infection and your job sucks and makes you come in, wear a mask. Masks aren’t necessarily effective at keeping an uninfected person from getting sick but they definitely help people who are already sick from transmitting infection. And then wash your hands some more because seriously, this is where you need to concentrate all of your energy. This is a virus that spreads by aerosols but frankly, you can’t do anything about that short of staying away from everyone, and a lot of aerosol particles make their way into your face via your hands, so I still think this is your best use of energy.
The last thing I want to mention is that this is not a hardy virus that lives for extended periods of time on surfaces, hanging out, waiting to infect people, so you can kill it with virtually any disinfectant and anything that sits out and dries for more than a little while it shouldn’t be infectious. There are some reports that it might be able to live for several days but I feel like this is unlikely and generally I wouldn’t worry about, say, shipments from overseas.
So in summary, wash your hands, try not to panic, and go to bed on time. This is basically my life advice about all things."
Further reading for data junkies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32052514
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30920354
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You want to know the truth, I agree with many of their positions. Assange is a hero, what Israel has done to the Palestinian is abominable if not genocide, it wouldn't surprise me if Mayor Pete is a CIA asset, Biden is a corrupt SOB, I won't defend Putin but Trump is probably worse. And I don't want the conspiracy theory to be true; I simply put it up there because I think the guy is a reputable source given his background and what he says makes sense. It wouldn't be the first virus or disease that was created in a bio warfare lab. Some believe that was the origin of Lyme disease.
The Thriller
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Yeah... We certainly have nothing further to discuss here. I'm not into tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense and Assange is a despicable human being who exploits the freedoms of western democracy to serve his Russian authoritarian masters.
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If that were the case, then why didn't he seek asylum in Russia? If you had researched Assange, you would learn his primary supporters were from Iceland and social democrats in Europe. Not sure why he didn't seek asylum in Iceland.
The Thriller
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It has been widely reported that he did seek asylum in Russia but was denied.
You may want to do more research on your boy.
Keefe
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Automobile???
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So that does show he had an adversarial relationship with Russia, because if he didn't, they would not have denied him. You just proved my point.
The Thriller
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No. It shows that Russia has no loyalty to him. But they use his infrastructure to hurt western democracies. Keeping him at arm’s length gives them plausible deniability as they continue to use Wikileaks to hurt the west. They don’t actually care about Assange’s well-being. They care about using Wikileaks as an outlet.
Dude, it’s pretty obvious that you want to live in an alternative universe. If I post 100 news stories proving Assange’s usefulness to Russia, you’ll just deny it. So continue to believe what you want honestly. I’m not trying to convince you if anything. But just understand your disinformation will be refuted so others on the board can know the truth.
Keefe
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The United States Center for Disease Control is advising U.S. citizens to reconsider if they were planning to take a sea cruise in Asia, as large cruise ships could become infected with the Coronavirus. Those traveling in Asia may be subject to those countries' quarantines and should not expect to be evacuated by the U.S. Dept. of State charters.
A total of 28 U.S. citizens repatriated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan have now tested positive for Covid19. Additional cases may emerge among passengers of the Diamond Princess, as some are likely still in an incubation stage.
Carry on.
A total of 28 U.S. citizens repatriated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan have now tested positive for Covid19. Additional cases may emerge among passengers of the Diamond Princess, as some are likely still in an incubation stage.
Carry on.
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Sk ? HK ?
everyone knows you are essentially an advocacy bot for establishment progressives, consistently doing everything you possibly can do to lay down the official story approved by your puppet masters.
e-m just doesn't buy all that authoritarian crap, and is willing to read and consider other views, which establishment bots routinely dismiss as cts or whatever seems most effective for shutting down the conversation or questions.
Why is it not possible to just disqualify posters who are this predictable, and this unthinking???? oh yah. you probably have me on "Ignore". Good for you.
As a one-time research worker in the biological/immunological sciences specializing in developing monoclonal antibodies, with fellow workers doing all kinds of creative genetics, I have been concerned for years about the dangers of such creations being weaponized or accidentally spread outside the labs. It's virtually impossible, imo, to be 100% on any safety criteria. Really.
However the term "Coronavirus" doesn't seem all that new to me, and it should only take a few months to establish an effective vaccine, and a few more months to produce it in appropriate quantities.
I find quacks sounding off on conservative talk radio who are in full fear-mongering mode, throwing out theories nobody has done any research on. Such as postulating that the virus has enough variability in effects there could be millions of unsymptomatic carriers walking around, now all over the world, and that we will shortly be seeing serious, deadly cases showing up as well. Who knows.
But in general, a high-ranking expert on the outs with the establishment deserves some thoughtful consideration.