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Eminence said:
Nobody said anything about gearing a campaign towards anything. You don't stop communicating with people because you've 'won them over'. It's why nobody votes where I grew up, they already know how the results will go. Only focusing on winning an election over the issues is turning whole swathes of the population off of participating in the political process at all.
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But who said we should stop communicating with people we’ve already won over?

What I said was that we had already won the county that Flint is in and still lost Michigan in 2016. In order to win Michigan in 2020, we need to reach out and win over counties that are light red and voted for Trump in 2016. That’s not neglecting Flint or disrespecting those residents in any way. It’s called, “expanding your base.” It’s what we did in 2018 to retake the House.

I really don’t understand why this is so hard for some of you to understand. We lost in 2016. The popular vote doesn’t matter. Winning the Electoral College does. Unless we win over people in swing states who didn’t vote in 2016, voted 3rd Party, or voted for Trump, we will lose again.

This isn’t rocket science guys.
 
Zombie said:
Good grief. Can you just think for one second in terms of fighting for a cause you believe in and not one that is only designed to cater to conservatives so you can win an election?

You sound like a campaign strategist on a cable news show, and no, that's not a compliment.
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I’d rather nominate a moderate Democrat who can win swing states and not be an albatross around moderate House Democrats necks, than lose to Trump and giving the House away by nominating the purist ideologue possible.

And yes, even though you didn’t mean it as a compliment, I will happily accept sounding like a campaign strategist as one. I want to win in 2020. I’m tired of Trump and Moscow Mitch
 
The Thriller said:
I’d rather nominate a moderate Democrat who can win swing states than lose to Trump by nominating the purist ideologue possible.
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Bernie is polling better than Trump in swing states. I understand that Bernie is further left than you'd prefer in a D candidate, but your dislike for him is causing you to ignore reality.
 
Zombie said:
The funny thing about Sanders' comments about the USSR is that his visit came during the period where that country was in the middle of attempted reforms toward openness and potentially a democratic society. Within that context it makes sense why Sanders would claim he was surprised by such things. Of course things didn't quite turn out that way in the long run, but at the time there was reason for optimism as the USSR and US relations were on a path toward normalization.

FWIW that visit took place the same year Ronald Reagan said he didn't view the USSR as the Evil Empire anymore, and that that was a "different time, a different era."

Just a couple things to think about when trying to get your red scare on.
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Or we could nominate someone who doesn’t have a long history of making questionable sound bites? *Shrugs Shoulders*
 
The Thriller said:
Or we could nominate someone who doesn’t have a long history of making questionable sound bites? *Shrugs Shoulders*
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This line of attack is so absurd man. I've already pointed out why this soundbite isn't scandalous. "Long history of making questionable soundbites" and your example is from over thirty years ago lmao.
 
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Zombie said:
What I described is the same experience as nearly every Bernie supporter I've encountered fwiw.
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I think the majority of people want an opportunity to improve their situations. But, and it's a big but, it's difficult to just shove money into the lower end and improve things. Sure, some program might save you a couple thousand like you're hoping but what good does it do you when rents go up as a side effect?

I'm all for redistribution, more of it please, just don't expect it to be faerie dust.
 
The economy here is screaming, average wage increases have been huge, and real estate is through the roof. I saw a 784 square foot condo for sale in Orem for $220k. Redistribution isn't helping that first time home buyer.
 
Genuine question has this Bernie dude ever been asked in an interview or debate what he thinks would actually realistically happen if he could bring in a massive tax increase on the super wealthy ?
 
Douchebag K said:
Genuine question has this Bernie dude ever been asked in an interview or debate what he thinks would actually realistically happen if he could bring in a massive tax increase on the super wealthy ?
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It wouldn't be hard for him to answer well. Obama hiked taxes on the wealthy by a massive amount. It wasn't just paper rate hikes with no bottom line increases either. The effective tax rate on the rich went up significantly.

And then Trump cut them back.

All Sanders would have to say is the economy was soaring along after Obama, and we didn't need to explode the debt for the small blip in gdp growth that TCJA gave us.
 
Douchebag K said:
Genuine question has this Bernie dude ever been asked in an interview or debate what he thinks would actually realistically happen if he could bring in a massive tax increase on the super wealthy ?
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Well I mean he would just have to look at history.
There was a time when the super wealthy were being taxed very heavily. Things were better for the middle class then.

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The Thriller said:
But who said we should stop communicating with people we’ve already won over?

What I said was that we had already won the county that Flint is in and still lost Michigan in 2016. In order to win Michigan in 2020, we need to reach out and win over counties that are light red and voted for Trump in 2016. That’s not neglecting Flint or disrespecting those residents in any way. It’s called, “expanding your base.” It’s what we did in 2018 to retake the House.

I really don’t understand why this is so hard for some of you to understand. We lost in 2016. The popular vote doesn’t matter. Winning the Electoral College does. Unless we win over people in swing states who didn’t vote in 2016, voted 3rd Party, or voted for Trump, we will lose again.

This isn’t rocket science guys.
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"where did I say we shouldn’t care about flint?

you said, “Go talk to a family about how well the economy is doing in Flint...”

The inference here is that we need to cater to them and listen to them to win them over. We already have. And Democrats are doing what they can to help them. What is their Democratic Governor doing to help? What about their republican legislature?"
 
People rationalizing their candidates’ foibles. It never ends. Okay, this is too generous. Their awful flaws.
 
What a fantastic president! Helping the true American people but sadly some love to claim he doesn't do a thing for us Americans. To Obama, this is your magic wand. USMCA is as well and many many other things. The wand is to help these people not take a fat old dump on them(us blue collars) like you did.



Matt Fisher, a local citrus farmer who had been asked to speak, asserted to Trump, “Farming here in the state of California isn’t the easiest, and every day since you’ve been in office, you’ve done exactly what you promised. You came to California and sought to understand our water issues. You listened to the right people, put a plan in place, selected the right people, assigned a deadline, and got it done. These biological opinions and the balance that they will bring to the water that falls on this state will bring certainty not only to my family and our employees, but several other families that farm here in the state of California. They are based on sound science and will help the Bureau of Reclamation maximize water to not only family farms, but rural communities and the environment.

Fisher added, “Your leadership on updating these biological opinions will bring significant relief to my family and will save literally thousands upon thousands of acres of citrus from being left to die. So thank you again, sir, for keeping your word and following through to help us here in the San Joaquin Valley.”
 
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