Coronavirus
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Welp, the U.S. is in the full shut-down scenario. State by state, large gatherings are banned. Schools, churches, theaters, events, etc. etc. all being closed. Elderly people, in particular, are told to avoid crowds and stay home as much as possible. Travel bans are now focused on blocking traffic from Europe.
Testing and treatment for the virus now appear to have shifted to the private sector, which is a good move since CDC showed itself to be slow and ineffective.
It looks like people are going to be able to be screened online and then able to receive a drive-through swab test in local Walmart parking lots. The new Roche test that just got fast tracked is apparently scalable and quicker at returning results compared to the CDC's test. So the system looks like it could scale in the next 1-2 weeks.
You can argue that this all should have happened 10-15 days ago, but otherwise, I think it's an impressive pivot considering how fast this is moving.
Testing and treatment for the virus now appear to have shifted to the private sector, which is a good move since CDC showed itself to be slow and ineffective.
It looks like people are going to be able to be screened online and then able to receive a drive-through swab test in local Walmart parking lots. The new Roche test that just got fast tracked is apparently scalable and quicker at returning results compared to the CDC's test. So the system looks like it could scale in the next 1-2 weeks.
You can argue that this all should have happened 10-15 days ago, but otherwise, I think it's an impressive pivot considering how fast this is moving.
Red
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I'm not fearmongering. I have posted articles describing various modeling, and every model is only as good as the assumptions underlying the model. And it's the experts who have created these models, and possible outcomes, not Red, lol. It's like Dr. Fauci has said, repeatedly. It depends on how good we are at containment and mitigation. The fact that, at present, we only have about 160,000+ ventilators in this country could certainly affect mitigation, and worse case outcomes, and doctors may be in the position of having to decide who lives, and who dies. I sure hope not.
Since I have 4 major factors that put me at high risk, I'd have to have a death wish to be an anti-Trumper rooting for it. That's ludicrous. I gotta cross over some time, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not a tad.....scared.
But, I'm being proactive: I've been standing on my head, whistling "My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord". It's an old folk remedy from the days of the Black Death. Well, I'm not real sure what tune they whistled in the 14th century, and, to be honest, I can't whistle for ****, but I was told it was real good juju. I'm waiting for my iron mask to arrive in the mail. That I'm gonna wear in public, and carry a sword. Very conducive to social distancing. From me.
Since I have 4 major factors that put me at high risk, I'd have to have a death wish to be an anti-Trumper rooting for it. That's ludicrous. I gotta cross over some time, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not a tad.....scared.
But, I'm being proactive: I've been standing on my head, whistling "My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord". It's an old folk remedy from the days of the Black Death. Well, I'm not real sure what tune they whistled in the 14th century, and, to be honest, I can't whistle for ****, but I was told it was real good juju. I'm waiting for my iron mask to arrive in the mail. That I'm gonna wear in public, and carry a sword. Very conducive to social distancing. From me.
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Safetydan
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Welp. Ocean mart is nuts rn. I didnt make it to Chinatown.
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One Brow
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Agreed. I don't see how this answers my question, though.
Do you believe the Obama response to SARS and the Trump response to Covid19 show a similar amount of competence? If not, why not talk about that difference?
One Brow
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Well, things changed quickly. Now we have a run on toilet paper and the governor closed all public schools in Illinois as of Monday.
One Brow
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How about the people making carefully considered, relevant points, like Trump's reduction in staff at the CDC?
One Brow
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Unlike in 2012, when the CDC response was swift and effective. It's almost as if when you put people in charge of government who believe government should be dismantled, the government becomes less effective.
idestroyedthetoilet
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Sounds like a false claim.
-The time to criticize response is not at the very beginning of a new, rapidly developing issue. No **** it won't be handled perfectly to every single person's liking.
-We won't know of anything was bungled until after.
-Do you really think Trump is mangling things? Not doing as his advisors and heads of various beauracracies recommend? That's laughable.
-As far as the CDC goes, it was pathetic of Trump to criticize them the way he did.
The best thing Trump/Pence can do is get out the way and take advice from Fauci and NIH. It seems like he's doing that. The CDC bungled things by insisting that everyone use their testing procedure and get certified in advance to do it. That cost 2 weeks in the country's ability to scale testing. CDC was a bottleneck and could only test a limited number of people, so it seems they were focused on the epicenters--Seattle, New York, SF Bay. CDC now seems like it's taking more of a backseat and some red tape has been cut.
Blocking travel from hot spots and social distancing are the best mass-scale remedies regardless. State and federal governments are on the same page and are doing that.
Now, the high-risk patients who have the virus are going to need access to hospitalization and respirators. So the big question is to what extent the American hospitals are going to get overrun. That's the next challenge, and quite frankly, I don't know what the solution to that is going to be. Hospitals are going to have to set up more beds and get hold of more respirators if they can...without displacing their other patients or getting everyone infected.
The Thriller
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Lol
#MAGA
Political Jazz Fan
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What did the CDC do in 2012? Give people flu shots?
One Brow
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/
The Washington Post reported that former National Security Adviser John Bolton dissolved the NSC’s Office of Global Health Security and Biodefense in May 2018 in a reorganization effort. That’s when Rear Adm. R. Timothy Ziemer, who was senior director of the office, left his post. He was not replaced.
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Contrary to some recent news reports, Bossert was replaced with a series of people, but the job of coordinating a pandemic response does not appear to have followed. When Trump announced his coronavirus task force on Jan. 29, he did not name current homeland security adviser Julia Nesheiwat in any capacity.
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But the lack of someone in the White House to coordinate the response to a widespread disease outbreak in the U.S. is something numerous experts and groups at the time had cautioned against.
Yes, I think Trump started off not doing as his advisers and heads of various bureaucracies recommended.
One Brow
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It declared a health emergency much earlier in the process, for a start.
Zombie
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Do you mean 2009?
idestroyedthetoilet
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