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Gameface said:
So there have been a few reports of a person testing positive, then testing negative and then some time later testing positive again.

What I haven't heard about these situations seems to be the most important part, imho.

Did the person initially show definite symptoms? Did they then recover from those symptoms? After recovering from symptoms did they start displaying symptoms again?

I haven't seen that mentioned at all. Does anyone know?
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When you’re looking at large populations of people and looking at false positive and false negative rates, it wouldn’t be unheard of for someone to have a false negative somewhere in there.

As a side note, the WHO took heat for a tweet saying that there’s no evidence that having antibodies confers immunity to getting it again. This is true. It doesn’t mean that having antibodies doesn’t confer immunity, just that there’s currently no evidence. We infer that, but have to acknowledge there isn’t evidence. Likewise, however, there isn’t evidence that our lockdowns, quarantines, or social distancing are what curbed spread. We infer that. But the reality is there isn’t solid evidence for it at this point, and it’s unclear all the variables in that equation and what role they played.
 
Gameface said:
So there have been a few reports of a person testing positive, then testing negative and then some time later testing positive again.

What I haven't heard about these situations seems to be the most important part, imho.

Did the person initially show definite symptoms? Did they then recover from those symptoms? After recovering from symptoms did they start displaying symptoms again?

As far as whether or not you can get it again, researchers have infected monkeys with the virus who were positive and then negative and then showed immunity to further exposure - so that's encouraging. The question is how long does it last - a month? two months? a year? nobody knows.

I haven't seen that mentioned at all. Does anyone know?
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Could also be they got a **** test.

We have over 50 manufacturers making diagnostic tests for COVID-19 with zero oversight from the FDA.

As to whether or not someone can get the virus again. Researchers have infected monkeys with the virus who tested positive and then negative and then appeared to be immune to further exposure - so that's encouraging. The question is how long does that immunity last? A month? Two Months? A year? Nobody knows.
 
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The human side of me feels bad for the people who will now get sick with this virus. I wish we had better dialogue for opening up responsibly.

the political side of me gets excited. A second wave of this has already killed thousands will only hurt trump. Recklessly “opening up” without sufficient testing and tracing and mandatory masks will only lead to more infections, more death, and greater economic loss.

So whatever. Science and facts still matter. I have a feeling Trumpers will be sadly reminded of this whether they want it or not, in the coming weeks. Pandemics don’t end because you become bored.
 
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The Thriller said:
The human side of me feels bad for the people who will now get sick with this virus. I wish we had better dialogue for opening up responsibly.

the political side of me gets excited. A second wave of this has already killed thousands will only hurt trump. Recklessly “opening up” without sufficient testing and tracing and mandatory masks will only lead to more infections, more death, and greater economic loss.

So whatever. Science and facts still matter. I have a feeling Trumpers will be sadly reminded of this whether they want it or not, in the coming weeks. Pandemics don’t end because you become bored.
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Political Jazz Fan said:
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The cops in NJ have handled these protests intelligently. In order to avoid a "media moment" they let people have their little public bitch fests and then they show up at their houses the next day with a summons - my guess is there were cops copying down license plates in the strip mall all morning.

The insinuation in the tweet that the cops were on the protesters side is of course idiotic - you really think they want to deal with **** like this all day risking exposure from these narcissistic a-holes?

Having said that you can't kill the gym owner. Something has to give. You keep hearing the term "threading the needle" from infectious disease specialists when it comes to opening back up society and dealing with the virus - states needs to start figuring this out in a thoughtful way. With little to zero federal help, the bottom third of this country has already been decimated financially and it's working its way upward.
 
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yes. I Consider trump to be an existential threat. He’s making it easier for us to defeat him by inciting riots to irresponsibly “open up.”

Would I prefer less death and destruction? Absolutely.

But whatever. at some point the drooling zombies without masks yellin to “open mah gym up” will receive the consequences they’ve earned. A president without a clear plan and who's inciting riots deserves his political reward.

I’m old enough to remember when conservatives believed in personal accountability. What a concept! I’m a big believer that voters and leaders should be held accountable for their wise and dumb decisions. It’s what forces democracy to remain a functioning and responsive system of government.
 
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This thing has made cemented the idea that the two party system does not benefit the public. Both sides prefer political and economic wins for their parties over real things that could benefit health.

Limited quarantines made a lot of sense, but they haven't made the strides in testing, PPE, and other things that flattening the curve should benefit... so to me it feels like we are delaying the curve. You can't stay closed forever... but then there are morons flaunting how unafraid they are... just wish the country was less broken and we came together to look for real solutions. the two sides have so much bad blood and history they just won't work together. I have no solutions, suggestions, or even good ideas... just sad/frustrated I guess.
 
candrew said:
Could also be they got a **** test.

We have over 50 manufacturers making diagnostic tests for COVID-19 with zero oversight from the FDA.

As to whether or not someone can get the virus again. Researchers have infected monkeys with the virus who tested positive and then negative and then appeared to be immune to further exposure - so that's encouraging. The question is how long does that immunity last? A month? Two Months? A year? Nobody knows.
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Well if testing positive after testing negative then it implies it's a **** test if no one ever shows signs of illness on their second positive. That's exactly why I think that's an important piece of information.
 
The Thriller said:
Wait what?




anyone else catch this? I can’t be the only one who thinks this is insane, right?
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If it was true at least he's not asking people to try something he wouldn't.... right?

Trump is a meme at this point. He says some truly insane and dumb ****... I lean republican but am somewhere in the middle. We have to find better people to run for our most important jobs methinks.
 
This is why I love these press conferences. They’re the best Biden ads one could come up with. And we get them for free. Trump shows in each and every press conference how unhinged he is and why his *** needs to be thrown out of the White House ASAP.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If it was true at least he's not asking people to try something he wouldn't.... right?

Trump is a meme at this point. He says some truly insane and dumb ****... I lean republican but am somewhere in the middle. We have to find better people to run for our most important jobs methinks.
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If he’s lying about it? It’s pretty awful.
If he’s taking it? It’s pretty awful since this drug hasn’t shown to have positive effects on those with the virus.

I just don’t see how anyone can spin this as fine.
 
The Thriller said:
If he’s lying about it? It’s pretty awful.
If he’s taking it? It’s pretty awful since this drug hasn’t shown to have positive effects on those with the virus.

I just don’t see how anyone can spin this as fine.
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Are there some deadly side effects? I would think you of all people would be fine with it. (all sarcasm)
 
The Thriller said:
The human side of me feels bad for the people who will now get sick with this virus. I wish we had better dialogue for opening up responsibly.

the political side of me gets excited. A second wave of this has already killed thousands will only hurt trump. Recklessly “opening up” without sufficient testing and tracing and mandatory masks will only lead to more infections, more death, and greater economic loss.

So whatever. Science and facts still matter. I have a feeling Trumpers will be sadly reminded of this whether they want it or not, in the coming weeks. Pandemics don’t end because you become bored.
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You're a sad, sad, human.
 
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