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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

fishonjazz said:
I agree with the tone and general premise of your post. If black people were storming places with guns and screaming at officials then I'm certain the cops wouldn't show that much restraint. And they shouldn't have shown so much restraint when those idiots were storming those buildings with guns and acting unruly.

However the rioting, looting, and arson is no bueno.

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When you've tried everything else, what's the alternative? They put their trust in law enforcement, and look at what it got them. A prosecutor who's clearly dragging his feet, law enforcement using tear gas at innocent protesters, a president hoping to stoke white backlash, etc.
 
I saw that. Not quite the same as starting a fire. There’s videos of those setting the police station ablaze.
 
I can't think of any other profession so morally corrupt that they always, and I mean always, defend their own as the first reaction. It doesn't matter what happens, the first instinct of the police seems to be to lie and rally around each other. It's ridiculous. These imbeciles saw bystanders filming, knew damn well what had happened, knew the evidence would come out so quickly, and still the first statement made by the police said that Floyd "physically resisted" arrest. And it infuriates me because I know, and we know, and everybody knows that the police department was aware of that being a lie. They knowingly and willingly put a lie out there for the sole reason of protecting their murderous colleagues. How is it possible not only for this kind of culture to exist in law enforcement, but to absolutely dominate it?
 
fishonjazz said:
However the rioting, looting, and arson is no bueno.

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Exactly, thats the sad part. Let's wait and see what happens to these murders. If they are not thrown behind bars I will march with them and burn down the police station. Not one person thinks this wasn't murder yet the looting, burning and tearing things down starts. Sadly by some people who could care less but just want an excuse to get free stuff.
 
The Thriller said:
Make the job attractive, require college degrees, and raise the bar. Establishing better law enforcement to community partnerships starts with hiring police officers who respect diversity and aren’t racist.
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I agree with the sentiment. The job needs to be made more attractive......but I'm not sure exactly how to do that. I don' think they all need college degrees, but a more robust, thorough training program is absolutely a must. Considering the danger police officers face, the pay should definitely increase. At the very least it would allow for departments to be more selective in who they hire. I don't know what type of psychological test they go through, but that obviously needs to be improved. If you show a potential or likelihood to treat people differently based on their race or ethnicity, during stressful situations, you are clearly not fit to enforce the law. Body cams should obviously be mandatory 100% of the time. Also, why are not more police departments representative of the populations they serve?

Another problem is the type of people that are drawn to being a police officer because of the power that we give them. I've had interactions with too many police officers that are high on a power-trip. They are public servants, not a sheriff in the Old West. We give them too much power, and too often fail to hold them accountable.
 
I can't condone senseless violence or rioting, but what have peaceful protests done? Things haven't changed. I hope/pray these cops are the minority and most are good people, but that is getting tougher to believe... and the system can stand beside them. They should already be charged and in custody... if I had video of some random person killing someone I cared about I would hope they wouldn't be wandering the streets while we figure things out.

I have no good answers... I'm sad and can't believe this can happen openly in public... be on video... and nothing is done. I'm sad.

Some of the scariest scenarios in movies are when the good people are trying to get away from a bad person (say the mob), but the law enforcement is in on the hustle and you can't go to them because they are corrupt and have incredible power. I guess this is the world that minorities have been and are living in. Can't imagine sending my kids into that world wondering if they will get stopped by law enforcement and shot for some BS. I was stopped plenty of times in my youth for doing dumb but harmless stuff... never even got a ticket.
 
So another video where I saw three cops on Floyd. Awful.

I agree with Thriller. A college degree, paramilitary-like training like State Troopers (at least here in NJ) get, thorough background checks (including past social media posts), and mandatory annual physical and academic requirements to keep up to par. And thorough investigations into misconduct by an independent team.

No more fat, racist, dumbasses.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
I agree with the sentiment. The job needs to be made more attractive......but I'm not sure exactly how to do that. I don' think they all need college degrees, but a more robust, thorough training program is absolutely a must. Considering the danger police officers face, the pay should definitely increase. At the very least it would allow for departments to be more selective in who they hire. I don't know what type of psychological test they go through, but that obviously needs to be improved. If you show a potential or likelihood to treat people differently based on their race or ethnicity, during stressful situations, you are clearly not fit to enforce the law. Body cams should obviously be mandatory 100% of the time. Also, why are not more police departments representative of the populations they serve?

Another problem is the type of people that are drawn to being a police officer because of the power that we give them. I've had interactions with too many police officers that are high on a power-trip. They are public servants, not a sheriff in the Old West. We give them too much power, and too often fail to hold them accountable.
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I think it starts with accountability... that should be the fairly easy part. Hiring could also likely be improved.

I know a lot of good people in law enforcement... I know a few that left because the job stress or because they didn't like the kind of people they were working with.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I wanna be clear. The cop should be found guilty of murder. The other cops should be found guilty of something. What, I’m not sure.
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Murder 2 for the guy with his knee on his neck. For the other 3 guys, manslaughter? They failed to act when someone was communicating that they were in danger. I'm sure officers take an oath to protect and care for people. They clearly failed. Is there any chance one of the officers told the murderer to get off the guy's neck, and the officer didn't comply? I'm not sure what I would do in that situation, physically force him to get off the guy?

Is there any news on why the guy was put on the ground in the first place? In the video I've watched, Floyd sure didn't seem to be resisting or anything. Curious if they had any justification at all for putting him in that position. Regardless of what he did, their response was soooooooo freaking bad. Shameful.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
So another video where I saw three cops on Floyd. Awful.

I agree with Thriller. A college degree, paramilitary-like training like State Troopers (at least here in NJ) get, thorough background checks (including past social media posts), and mandatory annual physical and academic requirements to keep up to par. And thorough investigations into misconduct by an independent team.

No more fat, racist, dumbasses.
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I'm just going to guess that there aren't enough minorities in these positions either. Hire and promote more minorities too?

There will always be a few bad ones that do stupid ****... but this happens so often... if stupid **** happens it should be an extreme outlier.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Murder 2 for the guy with his knee on his neck. For the other 3 guys, manslaughter? They failed to act when someone was communicating that they were in danger. I'm sure officers take an oath to protect and care for people. They clearly failed. Is there any chance one of the officers told the murderer to get off the guy's neck, and the officer didn't comply? I'm not sure what I would do in that situation, physically force him to get off the guy?

Is there any news on why the guy was put on the ground in the first place? In the video I've watched, Floyd sure didn't seem to be resisting or anything. Curious if they had any justification at all for putting him in that position. Regardless of what he did, their response was soooooooo freaking bad. Shameful.
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Two of them were on him earlier in the video too.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
Murder 2 for the guy with his knee on his neck. For the other 3 guys, manslaughter? They failed to act when someone was communicating that they were in danger. I'm sure officers take an oath to protect and care for people. They clearly failed. Is there any chance one of the officers told the murderer to get off the guy's neck, and the officer didn't comply? I'm not sure what I would do in that situation, physically force him to get off the guy?

Is there any news on why the guy was put on the ground in the first place? In the video I've watched, Floyd sure didn't seem to be resisting or anything. Curious if they had any justification at all for putting him in that position. Regardless of what he did, their response was soooooooo freaking bad. Shameful.
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Everyone has to be held accountable here. It went for so long... I get in split second decisions people can get it wrong but there was ample opportunity to stop this.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
thorough background checks (including past social media posts).
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That's a really good call about social media. I actually audit some law enforcement grant programs, and they are required to get background checks at least every 5 years. I've never seen any of the background checks involve social media review, which is a great idea.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
That's a really good call about social media. I actually audit some law enforcement grant programs, and they are required to get background checks at least every 5 years. I've never seen any of the background checks involve social media review, which is a great idea.
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I would take it one step further. Take an image of their phone... review their texts... many won't promote their bigotry on social media but they would with their friends in private.
 
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