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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

Eminence said:
Ehh, I don't think anyone in particular is 'largely' behind the rioting. Pissed off people in big groups do this.
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There are a lot of explanations with this happening nationwide, and if you said _____ did it, it’d be true. The thing I find funny is that after people went out of their way to defend the black communities for riots, to then realizing that the rioting may only be in part due to black communities, and after numerous black voices put out very rational pleas regarding the rioting, it seems it’s easier to gloss over all of it, say it’s all white supremacists trying to start a civil war, and declare these aren’t the droids we’re looking for.
 
Eminence said:
Ehh, I don't think anyone in particular is 'largely' behind the rioting. Pissed off people in big groups do this.
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Pretty much. Pissed off people, and sometimes even really happy people (see riots in cities after their team wins/loses a championship).

Often times when you get masive groups of people marching in the streets at night some of them decide to use the opportunity to create some mayhem.
 
How many conservatives would support or join in this type of protest if the government was trying to take away one of their rights like their guns?

I guess it's hard to see since rights aren't being taken away, just basic rights never given that white people have always had here.
 
infection said:
Not I. There are many [most?] legal demonstrations regarding guns (or any conservative cause) that I don’t support at all. I’m also not a big mob-mentality guy, left or right. The only exception I draw to that is sports fandom. And not in any physically aggressive way. More so just in the way that it’s going to get ugly and aggressive figuratively, because it’s a sport and it’s totally irrational, but when it’s over you have mutual respect for the battle. I feel very uncomfortable in physical groups of people with similar ideologies, whether it’s my own or not.
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Wheres is the line you would stand up for yourself? What if your family members were accused of crimes you know they didn't commit and we're sentenced to death with no jury or trial?

I would not personally get violent in these protests but I have a hard time condoning people in them. I could see myself posted far enough to do something extreme. There are certainly people who have been pushed way way too far.

Yes, some people involved are doing bad things without any cause. But they shouldn't take away from the message.
 
Eminence said:
Ehh, I don't think anyone in particular is 'largely' behind the rioting. Pissed off people in big groups do this.
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Nah, dude. Pieces of **** in large groups do this. Pissed off people normally swear at someone, fight someone, etc but they ain't burning **** down and destroying things. There are plenty of pissed off people not doing this, you know why? They're not pieces of ****.

Yeah, well, it's ok because, well, you know, they're pissed off...
 
Ron Mexico said:
Wheres is the line you would stand up for yourself? What if your family members were accused of crimes you know they didn't commit and we're sentenced to death with no jury or trial?

I would not personally get violent in these protests but I have a hard time condoning people in them. I could see myself posted far enough to do something extreme. There are certainly people who have been pushed way way too far.

Yes, some people involved are doing bad things without any cause. But they shouldn't take away from the message.
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I deleted my comment above [but will leave it in the quote] because I thought the question should get clarity before I answered it. The clarity would be the first sentence of ‘get involved in the protest’ vs ‘get involved in the riot.’ I mean, the first part would presume that anyone is condemning protests. I haven’t seen any of that. In fact, Trump himself has vocalized support for protest. But if we’re conflating protest with looting, fires, and assault [all of which are largely unrelated to the subject matter being protested], then that’s a totally different question.
 
Archie Moses said:
It does take anything away from the message, it just doesn't help it.
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People who want to disregard the message will find an excuse to disregard it. This is an easy thing to point at. Anyone who actually cares about the people and the message will understand that not everyone is doing this for the same reason. If you want to find something so you can feel justified in being okay with letting these things happen then go ahead.
 
infection said:
I deleted my comment above [but will leave it in the quote] because I thought the question should get clarity before I answered it. The clarity would be the first sentence of ‘get involved in the protest’ vs ‘get involved in the riot.’ I mean, the first part would presume that anyone is condemning protests. I haven’t seen any of that. In fact, Trump himself has vocalized support for protest. But if we’re conflating protest with looting, fires, and assault [all of which are largely unrelated to the subject matter being protested], then that’s a totally different question.
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Okay, a violent protest. Like Boston tea party, or gay pride protests.
 
Ron Mexico said:
People who want to disregard the message will find an excuse to disregard it. This is an easy thing to point at. Anyone who actually cares about the people and the message will understand that not everyone is doing this for the same reason. If you want to find something so you can feel justified in being okay with letting these things happen then go ahead.
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So you're saying people can only care about the message if the condone this type of extreme and destructive behavior?


Yeah, mmmkay.
 
Archie Moses said:
Nah, dude. Pieces of **** in large groups do this. Pissed off people normally swear at someone, fight someone, etc but they ain't burning **** down and destroying things. There are plenty of pissed off people not doing this, you know why? They're not pieces of ****.

Yeah, well, it's ok because, well, you know, they're pissed off...
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You think too much of humanity Archie.
 
I would think the gun nuts, conservatives, and libertarian types would be supportive of these protests. Haven’t they been whining all the time about big government suppression taking away rights? I haven’t seen a more authoritarian acts from our government in my lifetime than the past few days. It’s interesting that they’re no where in sight after claiming for years that they’d protect us against authoritarians.
 
Archie Moses said:
So you're saying people can only care about the message if the condone this type of extreme and destructive behavior?


Yeah, mmmkay.
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No, I am saying people who actually care will care and try to help if they care about the people. Those that dont will try to distract and point out other issues. I dont think the other things are helping but the fact that people care more about that shows that they dont actually care about the real message and just want to divert attention. Yes, if it was a perfect protest it would get attention and cause the right amount of change without violence or destruction. If it needs violence and destruction like many protest have then it would cause the perfect amount. This one might be a little more than some would like but its impossible to get the perfect amount and its impossible to get everyone on the same page and other people/groups not doing dumb things. But for those that care they can see what the message is and try to help make change.
 
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