2020 All-Time Draft - Round 1: Beer vs Thee jazz fan

Team Beer

Steve Nash
Carmelo Anthony
Lebron James
Charles Barkley
Dwight Howard

Penny Hardaway
David Thompson
Gilbert Arenas
Marcus Camby
David Benoit

Team Thee jazz fan

Ben Wallace // Bill Laimbeer
Kevin Garnett // Bobby Jones
Scottie Pippen // Alex English
Ray Allen // Manu Ginobili
Isaiah Thomas // Jrue Holiday

Beer write-up

Not too much needs to be said. Running the offense through LBJ, with Melo and Nash spacing the floor. 2 all time great shooters. Melo won't be pounding the air out of the ball iso all game, he'll be playing his olympic team role where he killed it as a spot up shooter. People forget what a freak Charles Barkley was in his day. Averaged 26, 12 and 6 in his prime. And then Dwight Howard rolling down the lane dunking everything in sight, blocking shots into the upper deck. I've got 2 of the top 10, maybe even 5, athletic freaks of all time in Dwight and LBJ, and to a lesser extent Barkley. 2 of the smartest players of all time in Nash and Lebron. Great shooters, great defenders, and a bench full of scorers. And one of the elite shot blockers of all time in Marcus Camby means I'll have an elite rim protector in at all times.

Plus David Benoit. So there.

Thee jazz fan write-up

IMO Beer did a lousy job building around LBJ. Steve Nash is the only consistent three point shooter around LBJ, and isn’t really compatible with LBJ, which kind of wastes Nash’s talent. Beer might contend that Penny was a good 3 point shooter, but that didn’t happen till he was a shell of his former self, before his injury he was below average 3 point shooter. So, beer is either using the allstar Penny or washed up Penny, or maybe just little Penny, Lol.

I can pack it in on defense, and make it more difficult for LBJ to drive to the basket.

Another problem is Howard is also not compatible with LBJ as he never developed any offensive skills other than bully ball. So he’s strictly an inside player taking up LBJ’s driving space. If beer plays him on the perimeter, that kills most of his potential and usefulness. I feel I have one of the best defensive teams in this and could be argued I have the best defensive team. All my starters are at least a little above average. 4 of the 5 are very good. 3 of the 5 are elite defenders. Beer has made it fairly easier for me to defend LBJ and still put up a wall against the rest of his team.

My team is 1000 times more playoff tested. Only one player for Beer has won titles. If it comes down to a close game in the fourth quarter, I’m supremely confident my players will be the ones making the right plays and clutch plays and make fewer mistakes.

I have better team defense and offense, and frankly my team fits better than his.

I’ve built a defensive minded team you’ve built a team designed to help my team focus on LBJ. We can now suffocate the hell out of him using KG and Wallace. Plus both Howard and Barkley getting in the way.

Thee jazz fan said:

I’ve built a defensive minded team you’ve built a team designed to help my team focus on LBJ. We can now suffocate the hell out of him using KG and Wallace. Plus both Howard and Barkley getting in the way.

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If anyone is gettin in the way its Ben Wallace. Get the **** outta here.

Beer's team would be by far my fave team if he drafted a decent SG instead of Barkley. I don't remember how the draft went but there must have been someone good available.

LBJ would be better at 4 and Melo would be more natural at 3.

Nash
Ray Allen or someone like Ginobili/Petrovic
Melo
LBJ
Howard

Now, that line-up is monstrous and probably has better bench if someone like Petrovic is drafted in later rounds.

As it currently stands, it feels cloggy.

People are underrating the badassness of prime Charles Barkley. That's all I have to say.

Thee's offense is extremely mediocre also.

Not sure if Benoit is a backup center.

jk

Beer has better players, maybe three of the top 4 on the floor. I don't get the Beer's team concept. Maybe if Beer explains how this is going to work I might switch my vote.

Thee did a nice job blending guys together and has nice balance and depth. He drafted dumb but the team he put together makes sense. Plus Bobby Jones is my childhood hero.

silesian said:

Beer has better players, maybe three of the top 4 on the floor. I don't get the Beer's team concept. Maybe if Beer explains how this is going to work I might switch my vote.

Thee did a nice job blending guys together and has nice balance and depth. He drafted dumb but the team he put together makes sense. Plus Bobby Jones is my childhood hero.

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Are you talking about me trading out of the first round when you say drafting dumb?

silesian said:

Thee did a nice job blending guys together and has nice balance and depth. He drafted dumb but the team he put together makes sense.

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This sounds weird to me.

At some point in a close game Benoit will Unconsciously start hoisting I’ll advised threes and lose his team the game much like he did for the jazz against the rockets.

silesian said:

Beer has better players, maybe three of the top 4 on the floor. I don't get the Beer's team concept. Maybe if Beer explains how this is going to work I might switch my vote.

Thee did a nice job blending guys together and has nice balance and depth. He drafted dumb but the team he put together makes sense. Plus Bobby Jones is my childhood hero.

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Fair, I'll explain. People are keeping Bark in the 4 box. The dude is 6'4", an explosive athlete, and a great creator. He can play the 3 or the 4. But this team is truly built around position-less basketball. It obviously runs through LBJ, but outside of that just let the players play. Nash and Barkley will find a way to fit in as they are as smart and talented as you'll find. Melo is a knock down spot up shooter feeding off of LBJ, Nash, and Barkley creating, and Dwight is locking down the rim, setting picks, and dunking everything within 15 feet.

Thee jazz fan said:

Are you talking about me trading out of the first round when you say drafting dumb?

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I seem to remember you trading a player who you chose in an earlier round for an upcoming pick, because there was a player you had to have (Laimbeer, maybe? it was months ago), that you could have just picked in the earlier round. But I'm mostly just busting on you and I like your team a lot.

I give you credit, your team makes sense to me and is not just a hodgepodge of great players thrown together. You did not default to "best player available" but rather drafted to a team concept. So as much as I like busting on you, I must say, nice job. Who knows if it would work, I'm just saying I get it.

silesian said:

I seem to remember you trading a player who you chose in an earlier round for an upcoming pick, because there was a player you had to have (Laimbeer, maybe? it was months ago), that you could have just picked in the earlier round. But I'm mostly just busting on you and I like your team a lot.

I give you credit, your team makes sense to me and is not just a hodgepodge of great players thrown together. You did not default to "best player available" but rather drafted to a team concept. So as much as I like busting on you, I must say, nice job. Who knows if it would work, I'm just saying I get it.

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Dude I never realized how much joy it was for you to criticize my idiocy. I’m sure this draft was just one huge mistake gone horribly wrong. I’ll try to do better so things can get back to normal

Beer has more elite talent but his team is oddly constructed. LeBron and Barkley are the best players on the court. Although KG is a close third to Barkley.

I trust a team lead by LeBron a lot more than KG.

The SG really hurts beer though. Melo was good playing with stars in the Olympics. But he still can't defend much Ray Allen would have a lot of open shots. Melo could isolate and beat him up but beer said that won't happen. That's a big negative spot. Then the bench with Camby at the PF and arenas at SF.

Just start Skywalker.

Nash/Penny
Skywalker/Arenas
LeBron/Benoit (another lol)
Barkley/Carmelo
Howard/Camby

Beer has clearly better players (LeBron above all) but Idk how they will fit together (and, personal opinion, Carmelo is a flew)

Thee put together a very nice team, a mix of bad boys, great defenders plus Manu and Ray Allen (two players I especially love)

It's close but I think Thee would win by hook or by crook.

Beer cannot spin that Barkley was a good pick for that roster. Not to me, anyway. It hurts to see. Plug in any given good shooting SG and that's a beautiful main lineup. I feel like he could've won this all but got sloppy on picks (Benoit? Camby?).

Thee needed more spacing. Obviously, that frontline is absolutely sick on defense, even going through the whole big rotation. That kind of rim protection, switchability, rebounding, and nastiness is just mighty AF. I don't get the Isiah pick. One of the most overrated players of all time (for most of his career he was sub-20 PER and his +/- was underwhelming), and like most in his era, not a spacer. Pippen's pedestrian shooting is worth everything else he brought, but if you're gonna have him, KG who for some reason didn't/couldn't shoot 3s, and Ben Wallace who is a 0 on offense, you HAVE to really load up on spacing at the guard position. I love Manu and I think Jrue Holiday would actually be a nice fit in a contest like this so I guess you could make Isiah the bench guy but that doesn't appear to be the plan and that's a waste of a good pick.

Both have huge strengths and frustrating selections. Both are interesting builds. I guess that's what these contests are.

I think Beer's passing brilliance, insane open court ability, and relatively decent spacing would be enough to outscore Thee and win in 5 or 6 games.

NUMBERICA said:

Beer cannot spin that Barkley was a good pick for that roster. Not to me, anyway. It hurts to see. Plug in any given good shooting SG and that's a beautiful main lineup. I feel like he could've won this all but got sloppy on picks (Benoit? Camby?).

Thee needed more spacing. Obviously, that frontline is absolutely sick on defense, even going through the whole big rotation. That kind of rim protection, switchability, rebounding, and nastiness is just mighty AF. I don't get the Isiah pick. One of the most overrated players of all time (for most of his career he was sub-20 PER and his +/- was underwhelming), and like most in his era, not a spacer. Pippen's pedestrian shooting is worth everything else he brought, but if you're gonna have him, KG who for some reason didn't/couldn't shoot 3s, and Ben Wallace who is a 0 on offense, you HAVE to really load up on spacing at the guard position. I love Manu and I think Jrue Holiday would actually be a nice fit in a contest like this so I guess you could make Isiah the bench guy but that doesn't appear to be the plan and that's a waste of a good pick.

Both have huge strengths and frustrating selections. Both are interesting builds. I guess that's what these contests are

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I thought about drafting Chris Paul, but felt Thomas’s playoff success was more valuable, along with the tough minded defensive attitude was more valuable than Paul’s shooting. Feel passing is a wash along with playmaking. Felt my defensive minded philosophy would match Thomas better. Thomas proved to be clutch come playoff time. Also I know KG wasn’t a three point shooter but he could hit from the outside out to 20ft, and a great passer from the high post.

NUMBERICA said:

I think Beer's passing brilliance, insane open court ability, and relatively decent spacing would be enough to outscore Thee and win in 5 or 6 games.

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My team has every bit this as well. KG and Pippen were long athletic finishers with great playmaking and passing instincts as well as Allen and Thomas. Allen, and Pippen could run the offense just fine as well plus my team defense is better by a mile. Not sure how you come up with that conclusion

NUMBERICA said:

Beer cannot spin that Barkley was a good pick for that roster. Not to me, anyway. It hurts to see. Plug in any given good shooting SG and that's a beautiful main lineup. I feel like he could've won this all but got sloppy on picks (Benoit? Camby?).

Thee needed more spacing. Obviously, that frontline is absolutely sick on defense, even going through the whole big rotation. That kind of rim protection, switchability, rebounding, and nastiness is just mighty AF. I don't get the Isiah pick. One of the most overrated players of all time (for most of his career he was sub-20 PER and his +/- was underwhelming), and like most in his era, not a spacer. Pippen's pedestrian shooting is worth everything else he brought, but if you're gonna have him, KG who for some reason didn't/couldn't shoot 3s, and Ben Wallace who is a 0 on offense, you HAVE to really load up on spacing at the guard position. I love Manu and I think Jrue Holiday would actually be a nice fit in a contest like this so I guess you could make Isiah the bench guy but that doesn't appear to be the plan and that's a waste of a good pick.

Both have huge strengths and frustrating selections. Both are interesting builds. I guess that's what these contests are.

I think Beer's passing brilliance, insane open court ability, and relatively decent spacing would be enough to outscore Thee and win in 5 or 6 games.

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Probably should have gone with Drexler at that point. I agree.

Beer said:

Probably should have gone with Drexler at that point. I agree.

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I dont see a problem with the Barkley pick there. Prime Lebron was a SF, Barkley is a PF/C. Lebron didnt want to play PF in his prime, so forcing him there like many do in this makes him worse. Plus it wears him out playing defense and grinding inside. Personally I would have taken Moses at that point but I still like the Barkley pick. I think you should have grabbed a solid SG with the 4th or 5th round. Honestly I just think you need to redo your roster though. Melo starting at SG is losing you votes.

If @Beer started a better lineup with the same players I would have voted for him. But I had to vote based on his lineup. So @Thee is probably keeping his vote from me.