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Memo's First Game in Europa

Good start on the road to recovery. How did he hit the three ball. We need "Money badly". Especially with the bigs we got including Enes. I fhe can give us 20 minutes of big time Memo ball including in crunch time it would make a big difference.
 
In the first quarter, Memo looked fat and slow. His defense was atrocious (misplayed PnR's twice, and got beat off the dribble really bad by another big man).
 
WinningUgly said:
Good start on the road to recovery. How did he hit the three ball. We need "Money badly". Especially with the bigs we got including Enes. I fhe can give us 20 minutes of big time Memo ball including in crunch time it would make a big difference.
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While the "money ball" is important, we also need bigs who can control the paint and take it inside--perhaps more important than having a slow thirtysomething center who can make rain.
 
my scouting report:


hasn't played real basketball for quite a while because of injury... one leg seems still really thin and needs to gain strength... seems a bit out of shape for the reason mentioned before... he is like 80 percent healthy... nice shooting, decent passing and rebounding... was solid from the free-throw line as usually... not an athlete and his laterall quickness has even become a little worse... but this guy has a high skill level, solid basketball iq, decent passing, good face-up game, great shooting, nice range, some post moves and decent rebounding... soft hands and nice shooting mechanics, nice touch... he is still some of the better centers in the nba and could start on a few teams... his help-/ team defense is not good... bad footspeed, bad laterall quickness and bad leaping skills make him a liability on the defensive end, though he is a good one-on-one defender and will be able to stop slow and rather unathletic centers while he will struggle against athletes... he often seems to be a step to late on the defensive end, but that's nothing new.... his elite level shooting, solid free throw shooting, his spacing and his clutchness allow him to be a force on the offensive end... he is still one of the best offensive centers in todays game and his decent rebounding are well enough to give him 20 minutes per game for the rest of his career...he can be a robert horry kind of a player, a very solid role player... he could play until his late thirties because he does not live by his athleticizm... his quickness, agility and athleticizm are on the level of shaquille o'neal right now... lost the last bit of explosiveness he had and he got even a little bit slower overall... he will get his 9-10 points and 4-5 rebounds each game with rather limited minutes for his standard...
 
I think Memo will have more of a Matt Bonner impact for the Jazz this year (if there is one), rather than his normal complete game.
 
as a kanter homer, it's funny to think about guys who were comparing kanter to okur, bargnani, nowitzki or other white european jump shooting big man who seemed to be rather known as soft players. kanter is the absolute opposite: rather a tough, strong player, a banger who loves contact, has an incredible high motor, rebounds with the best of them and has a complete game. he is a decent defender as well because of his good quickness, active hands and strong frame and has also a soft shooting touch, some range and a face-up game, which made some guys who din't know much of him to believe that he will become the next bargnani. kanter does everything, has a complete game and still much room to improve, but he is rather the back-to-the basket, tough and rebounding center we wanted to have. we will see what kind of a duo he will form with favors in a couple of years...
 
GVC said:
For only 3 times the price!
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true. we were unlucky because of his injury, but a player of memos caliber deserved this kind of money. we tend to underrate him a little bit. a healthy memo in his prime is a pretty good 18 and 8 player, a borderline all-star... o'conner could not wait with the extension, so we have to live with it. it could have become worse if we gave him a longer extension. he was playing pretty good basketball when we gave him his new contract, but it was risky because we had the chance to wait a year...
 
The extension was a nightmare, but Memo as a role player off the bench and paid a Matt Bonner salary is a great piece to have if he's re-signed.
 
underKANTER said:
true. we were unlucky because of his injury, but a player of memos caliber deserved this kind of money.
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No, no, and no.

Even before the re-signing (and the subsequent injury), he was starting to slow down. His defense was clearly subpar (not that Boozer was helping appearances much).

It was clear that Boozer + Okur was a liability defensively, and Boozer was just as likely to be gone before the new Memo contract began. Ten million plus is too much to pay for a taller Korver.

underKANTER said:
we tend to underrate him a little bit. a healthy memo in his prime is a pretty good 18 and 8 player, a borderline all-star...
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Um, Okur hasn't averaged 18 and 8 (or even 18 or 8) since 2005-06--and that was in nearly 36 MPG.

And sure enough, following the signing (but not even in the new contract yet), Okur's scoring plummets to 13.5 PPG (<14 PP30).

Ah, your irrelevant nostalgia.

underKANTER said:
o'conner could not wait with the extension, so we have to live with it.
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Patently false. O'Connor could've waited on the extension, just like the Jazz could've waited on Kirilenko. In this case, MO wasn't even a player in big demand. Okur wasn't essential enough to the team to secure him one year early. Now, in just 1-2 short years, the Jazz have the deepest frontcourt possibly in their history but are still saddled with Okur's albatross eight-figure contract. And they could've definitely gotten him cheaper off a 13.5 and 7 season (at 38.5% from the trey) than a 17.0 and 7.7 season (and 45% from the trey). With him reaching his 30th birthday prior to the re-signing, it should've been foreseeable that he wasn't gonna get more expensive by waiting a year--even if he would've been a free agent.

underKANTER said:
it could have become worse if we gave him a longer extension. he was playing pretty good basketball when we gave him his new contract, but it was risky because we had the chance to wait a year...
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That's the spirit! When faced with justifying a sucky contract, your argument is: "It could've been longer!"

If/when you make bad love to a significant other, do you use the same argument ("It could've been worse")?
 
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SalmonHobo said:
Bro, but he did give us the hometown discount.
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He signed for a shorter amount of time and probably DID get a bit less. When he signed he was definitely a top-10 center. Just look at the contracts that were being tossed around to other 5's at that time. He was a 17/7 player despite being the third option behind Boozer and Deron. There's no way to project injuries.

I agree he's a role player going forward. But he could be quite an asset as a backup - just depends on how quickly Kanter and Favors develop and what the plans are for Big Al.
 
Wasn't he an All-Star Center? Does that not qualify being top 10? Or did 10 other centers also make the All-Star game that year and I missed it.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Wasn't he an All-Star Center? Does that not qualify being top 10? Or did 10 other centers also make the All-Star game that year and I missed it.
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He's been ranked as a top 10 center, but he's an all-star only because replaced Boozer after CB got injured. I'm not sure that such a replacement was based solely on merit but rather that CB and MO are both from the same team and that MO is at least a decent center who would still represent the Jazz.

In any case, he wasn't decent enough to re-sign him for $10+ million per when he was 30 years old, had a year left on his contract, and was already slowing down.
 
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