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Conley is back in the bubble and hopes to play Game 3

Why is everyone so concerned about Conley? He is still a good player, and he has shoot well lately. I mean, he would be taking Mudiay and Niang's minutes. That's always a +.

And he is not a ballhog who suddenly will freeze Donovan. On the contrary, sometimes he is too passive but even then, he can still shoot the ball at a very decent clip. You can hide him on defense on Torrey Craig.

But of course, if we lose next game it's all his fault for ruining the team's chemistry. It's been that narrative the whole season. While some criticism was deserved during certain stretches during the season, many fail to see there are glaring holes in our roster. We are not athletic enough, our bench sucks and we are also shorthanded. We need all the help we can get.
 
latin jazz said:
Why is everyone so concerned about Conley? He is still a good player, and he has shoot well lately. I mean, he would be taking Mudiay and Niang's minutes. That's always a +.

And he is not a ballhog who suddenly will freeze Donovan. On the contrary, sometimes he is too passive but even then, he can still shoot the ball at a very decent clip. You can hide him on defense on Torrey Craig.

But of course, if we lose next game it's all his fault for ruining the team's chemistry. It's been that narrative the whole season. While some criticism was deserved during certain stretches during the season, many fail to see there are glaring holes in our roster. We are not athletic enough, our bench sucks and we are also shorthanded. We need all the help we can get.
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He will push Ingles back to the bench where he has been far less effective, and Conley is a high usage PG which makes Mitchell less effective. Were you watching this season at all?
 
I'm worried Conley won't take Niang and Mudiay's minutes. In a perfect world he would be coming off the bench instead of Mudiay and running the second unit.

But the jazz are so weird about benching him.
 
LogGrad98 said:
He will push Ingles back to the bench where he has been far less effective, and Conley is a high usage PG which makes Mitchell less effective. Were you watching this season at all?
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We can stager the rotations and make him play more with the second unit, which Quin has done a lot lately. Less Mudiay and added playmaking is a good thing. I want to see more Ingles's pick n roll though (it's Quin's job to make it work, luckily Conley is shooting better)

Watch the season? not really. I just enjoy looking at the box scores and do some regression analysis while listening to David Locke's podcasts. Who watches the games anyway, they are so boring /s
 
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Donovan needs to ball in his hands to be at his best. In 2020, positions don't really matter all that much, so call it what you want to call it. He just needs the ball in his hands. Same goes for Conley. If Conley also starts, it means one of the two will not be fully utilized. We've learned this season that most of the time, neither of them will be fully utilized. If you move Conley to the bench, it means he'll play more with Clarkson who also needs the ball in his hands to be effective. That's been the problem for the Jazz in 2020. Three guards who are all capable of putting up 18-20 a night on decent efficiency, but they all need the ball in their hands.

Right now, both Don and Jordan are better than Mike. That's the reality. I don't know if you can take the ball out of their hands in order to put them in Mike's and come out on top. And Mike Conley playing off the ball is not the Memphis Mike Conley. I don't know what the solution is right now. There are very few minutes available when neither Don nor Jordan are on the floor. This isn't even considering how good Joe can be at the point-forward role. Can Conley be a net-positive as just a spot up shooter?
 
latin jazz said:
We can stager the rotations and make him play more with the second unit, which Quin has done a lot lately. Less Mudiay and added playmaking is a good thing.

Watch the season? not really. I just enjoy looking at the box scores and do some regression analysis while listening to David Locke's podcasts. Who watches the games anyway, they are so boring /s
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Starting Conley has not made us significantly better in any meaningful stretch so far this season. It makes no sense now. Bring him off the bench, give him his minutes, let him run with the bench unit, finish the game, but it makes no sense to start him. It doesn't make us better. It just doesn't.
 
JimLes said:
Donovan needs to ball in his hands to be at his best. In 2020, positions don't really matter all that much, so call it what you want to call it. He just needs the ball in his hands. Same goes for Conley. If Conley also starts, it means one of the two will not be fully utilized. We've learned this season that most of the time, neither of them will be fully utilized. If you move Conley to the bench, it means he'll play more with Clarkson who also needs the ball in his hands to be effective. That's been the problem for the Jazz in 2020. Three guards who are all capable of putting up 18-20 a night on decent efficiency, but they all need the ball in their hands.

Right now, both Don and Jordan are better than Mike. That's the reality. I don't know if you can take the ball out of their hands in order to put them in Mike's and come out on top. And Mike Conley playing off the ball is not the Memphis Mike Conley. I don't know what the solution is right now. There are very few minutes available when neither Don nor Jordan are on the floor. This isn't even considering how good Joe can be at the point-forward role. Can Conley be a net-positive as just a spot up shooter?
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DM/Joe/Royce shredded Denver today. The second unit needs help... I get we can stagger Mike's minutes but he's a bit superfluous in the starting lineup.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Starting Conley has not made us significantly better in any meaningful stretch so far this season. It makes no sense now. Bring him off the bench, give him his minutes, let him run with the bench unit, finish the game, but it makes no sense to start him. It doesn't make us better. It just doesn't.
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People saying it is not arguable... Quin wanted to make this move... Quin did make this move... it was the right move imo. Then DL came down from the front office like Vince McMahon to the wrestling ring and Quin "changed his mind". It was the weirdest day and our media guys did not ask any hard questions... don't think DL even talked about it.
 
JimLes said:
Donovan needs to ball in his hands to be at his best. In 2020, positions don't really matter all that much, so call it what you want to call it. He just needs the ball in his hands. Same goes for Conley. If Conley also starts, it means one of the two will not be fully utilized. We've learned this season that most of the time, neither of them will be fully utilized. If you move Conley to the bench, it means he'll play more with Clarkson who also needs the ball in his hands to be effective. That's been the problem for the Jazz in 2020. Three guards who are all capable of putting up 18-20 a night on decent efficiency, but they all need the ball in their hands.

Right now, both Don and Jordan are better than Mike. That's the reality. I don't know if you can take the ball out of their hands in order to put them in Mike's and come out on top. And Mike Conley playing off the ball is not the Memphis Mike Conley. I don't know what the solution is right now. There are very few minutes available when neither Don nor Jordan are on the floor. This isn't even considering how good Joe can be at the point-forward role. Can Conley be a net-positive as just a spot up shooter?
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The Conley JC bench units were very good this year. Mike helps balance JC's chucking and provides another threat to shoot or create in a lineup that needs help with that.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Starting Conley has not made us significantly better in any meaningful stretch so far this season. It makes no sense now. Bring him off the bench, give him his minutes, let him run with the bench unit, finish the game, but it makes no sense to start him. It doesn't make us better. It just doesn't.
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Maybe. From a BB perspective, it makes sense for him to come off the bench. But we know Quin won't do that (there are other factors at play besides BB...DL, agents, player's pride&commitment?). See Favors last 2 years, Conley earlier in the season. Quin would rather start them, play them for 5-6 minutes and make them play a lot with the second unit.

Besides, it would be interesting to see Denver's gameplan for GM3. Their were extremely aggressive to take the ball from Donova's hands, which opened up so many options for other players. They won't play the same. We will probably need another playmaker. More importantly, hopefully Conley plays a lot with the second unid, which has been awful to say the least.
 
latin jazz said:
Why is everyone so concerned about Conley? He is still a good player, and he has shoot well lately. I mean, he would be taking Mudiay and Niang's minutes. That's always a +.

And he is not a ballhog who suddenly will freeze Donovan. On the contrary, sometimes he is too passive but even then, he can still shoot the ball at a very decent clip. You can hide him on defense on Torrey Craig.

But of course, if we lose next game it's all his fault for ruining the team's chemistry. It's been that narrative the whole season. While some criticism was deserved during certain stretches during the season, many fail to see there are glaring holes in our roster. We are not athletic enough, our bench sucks and we are also shorthanded. We need all the help we can get.
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because we are 19-8 this season without Conley. 70% win rate that is
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
People saying it is not arguable... Quin wanted to make this move... Quin did make this move... it was the right move imo. Then DL came down from the front office like Vince McMahon to the wrestling ring and Quin "changed his mind". It was the weirdest day and our media guys did not ask any hard questions... don't think DL even talked about it.
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sounds like Divac/joerger situation on picking Bagley over luka...sometimes it'd be nice for the management to own up to their mistakes. easier said than done. and the consequence could be costly.
 
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