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infection said:
There's no such thing as garbage time. In a game where we're up 40 to players you've never heard of, Quin still finds <4 minutes for the bench guys.
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Yeah that burned me. Should have played bench damn near the entire 4th.
 
gomretat said:
If only DL could dictate everything and the players simply had to agree.
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He has given up extra money in deals several times... he isn't a good negotiator... the one time he dug his heels in on Hayward he completely misread the market and lost big time over a couple million.

Backup centers are fairly easy to find... if Favs walks over $1.5M then so be it. I don't think he would have done better than what we were offering.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He has given up extra money in deals several times... he isn't a good negotiator... the one time he dug his heels in on Hayward he completely misread the market and lost big time over a couple million.

Backup centers are fairly easy to find... if Favs walks over $1.5M then so be it. I don't think he would have done better than what we were offering.
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This. FOH if you think Favs was in a strong negotiating position with this. NO ONE was going to pay him that much with those years. Sloppy FO consistently.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Having Caris would likely not have changed their ultimate fortune as a lotto team... they got Oladipo because they thought he'd help them... not to tank. Having Caris likely nets them at least one more first rounder for trading their former MVP.

They dumb AF... if they luck into something good it does not change the fact they dumb AF.
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Jarrett Allen would have helped them a ton though and they were looking to shed salary long term which is why they didn't want Caris. Like I said it is way too early to pass judgement on a trade that has so many future picks involved.
 
sip said:
Jarrett Allen would have helped them a ton though and they were looking to shed salary long term which is why they didn't want Caris. Like I said it is way too early to pass judgement on a trade that has so many future picks involved.
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What if they had kept Caris and spun him off for expirings and a pick and then used that pick to get rid of Eric Gordon.

The part of this trade we need to mock is the part where they chose Oladipo over Caris. At least the Allen piece got them a pick from the Cavs.

It was dumb at the time and their inability to spin Oladipo off for something makes it look so much worse now.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He has given up extra money in deals several times... he isn't a good negotiator... the one time he dug his heels in on Hayward he completely misread the market and lost big time over a couple million.

Backup centers are fairly easy to find... if Favs walks over $1.5M then so be it. I don't think he would have done better than what we were offering.
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You nor anyone on this board has any clue whatsoever if he overpays because there are two parties negotiating. The number of comments made on this board that ignore that fact is mind boggling.
 
gomretat said:
You nor anyone on this board has any clue whatsoever if he overpays because there are two parties negotiating. The number of comments made on this board that ignore that fact is mind boggling.
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We can look around at different comps my friend and make pretty sound judgement. Do we have direct knowledge? no... Does that mean our critique has no merit? no.

Backup centers are an abundant resource. If you want to give one extra year (a player option which only has downside) its fair to ask for a little bit back the first year to make the budget balance. We were off by just a little bit... could have been negotiated. If that is not doable is Favs going to Boston? They only gave Thompson two years.

If Favs passes you move to option 2... you also just picked a guy in the first round that could be the fall back plan... you also have Morgan who showed some capability.

Favs did not have us over a barrel ... there was room to negotiate.
 
There were also small moves that could have had us ducking the tax this year we didn't pursue... could have moved back from #27 to early in the second (or mid second) and cut enough from the budget to make it work.

Its not my money but if we make moves that change the team materially to avoid being in the repeater tax (which is flat out devastating) then it affects the on court stuff which I do care about.
 
The Matt Thomas deal feels like part of a contingency plan if we have to let go of JC or Mike because of budget cuts... not that he is a replacement but he'd be part of the solution.
 
infection said:
I've joked about this too and while I'm joking about it, I'm also serious. If Exum was bought out, we would be the only team knocking. And for all of our talk about "don't disrupt chemistry" and someone used to not getting a lot of time, plus the idea that he's the Harden stopper, I'd put a signing as like 80% chance if he were bought out. But that would require him to be bought out. His agent probably doesn't want to accept less money because he may never play in the league again, unless he has that assurance from us, but that's just for signing a minimum deal for a couple months, so there's not a lot of motivation to walk away from guaranteed money. And if Houston wants to drink some of the Kool Aid.
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Late to the game, so apologies if already discussed.

Dante's not close to being uninjured yet. Jazz wouldn't pick him up (this year).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There were also small moves that could have had us ducking the tax this year we didn't pursue... could have moved back from #27 to early in the second (or mid second) and cut enough from the budget to make it work.

Its not my money but if we make moves that change the team materially to avoid being in the repeater tax (which is flat out devastating) then it affects the on court stuff which I do care about.
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infection said:
But doesn't that same level of ignorance also apply both ways?
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Nope. Because the history of managing the tax in a very careful is very clear, not only for us both for most NBA teams. There is a ton of money spent to make sure the 100's of millions are managed well and it is evident. The fact that unforeseen opportunities arise that cause you to give up a 2nd rounder or pay more than you want is part of the business. IMO, suggesting that the cap is not paid attention to managed sloppily could not possibly be more naive and there is no way the Millers or Mr Smith would let that happen. It is arm chair quarterbacking with no clue of what is really going on.
 
gomretat said:
Nope. Because the history of managing the tax in a very careful is very clear, not only for us both for most NBA teams. There is a ton of money spent to make sure the 100's of millions are managed well and it is evident. The fact that unforeseen opportunities arise that cause you to give up a 2nd rounder or pay more than you want is part of the business. IMO, suggesting that the cap is not paid attention to managed sloppily could not possibly be more naive and there is no way the Millers or Mr Smith would let that happen. It is arm chair quarterbacking with no clue of what is really going on.
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Yes... many teams that are careful planners end up barely in the tax. It happens all the time.

Go look at the cap maneuvering Miami has done over the years to duck the tax and tell me we are all over this ****.

When Mr. Smith is staring at a $50M+ tax bill to retain Mike this offseason and an even bigger bill the year after because of the repeater tax we will see how naïve I was. When we salary dump Bojan or JC or Favs this offseason or watch Mike leave because we can't make the finances work, please make sure to check back in then.

I have called my shot before and been proven right. Not saying DL is a bad GM but he has either not negotiated hard enough or misread the market/league before. He's had some home runs too.
 
Bodhi said:
This. FOH if you think Favs was in a strong negotiating position with this. NO ONE was going to pay him that much with those years. Sloppy FO consistently.
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Well, it's all relative. If you thought Ed Davis was a $5M salary slot and Tony Bradley was a $3M salary slot, then giving Favors $9M was a fair deal. Plus, DL likes his players to feel wanted and happy. You saw what happened last year with Jeff Green. Guy thought he wasn't being paid fairly and didn't bother the run the floor consistently. Jazz will pay a little extra for a cultural fit.
 
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