Coronavirus

Thought this was a good read:

LogGrad98 said:

A 4-year-old who has a condition that makes him immunocompromised is not "blaming" anyone for his medical condition if there is concern of infection with COVID. People like this are the ones who need protecting from herd immunity.

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Isn't it up to the parents to provide the required protection? Isn't life anyway misery forever for both the parents and the kid (due the myriad of other health issues because of the immunocompromisation?) even if every other person who is going to be close is vaccinated :-(. Should we all wear masks even at the seaside beach (like it was in Spain for some period) until that time arrives? In a grand scheme of things the 4,5 million COVID deaths is pretty tiny number when compared to the total population. Of course, on a personal level, every death is a tragedy no matter whether the age is 1, 10 or 100 years no matter what was the reason. I disagree with you with the point that world should be closed until the virus is eradicted; i find that very unlikely, that we have a COVID zero situation in the near future. And at the same time everybody forgets quite fast the death of kids because of traffic accidents, drowning, violence by other people etc etc. because, well, only COVID deaths are worth the media hype :-(.

And to clarify, of course i am kind of tired-annoyed of the typical snakeoil-crystalball-sales(wo)man-at-least-one-BillGates-related-vaccine nonsense post-per-day kind of persons. We have a fair share of them in Estonia, too.

Why hasn’t anybody ever thought of this before? What a genius the PizzaGate guy is!

One Brow said:

I will try to be more clear about this. Every patient interaction (every interpersonal interaction, really) has risk of spreading infection, which is so many precautions are taken to mitigate risk. An unvaccinated doctor increases this risk.


I don't recall making a claim that providers were not a threat to spread covid19 in 2020. Could you point out what I said that gave you that impression? It would help me communicate my ideas more clearly.


Exactly.


Perhaps, for personal reasons, I am too harsh on anti-vaxxers. Perhaps not.

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To play devils advocate are you harsh on people who are overweight ? Who’ve chosen to let themselves be unhealthy and grossly disproportionately at risk of Covid let alone other disease and therefore potentially clog up hospital beds ?

Of course I am being facetious but ..

Great news


Covid-19 vaccine for 5- to 11-year-olds is safe and shows 'robust' antibody response, Pfizer says
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/health/pfizer-child-vaccine-data/index.html

Douchebag K said:

To play devils advocate are you harsh on people who are overweight ? Who’ve chosen to let themselves be unhealthy and grossly disproportionately at risk of Covid let alone other disease and therefore potentially clog up hospital beds ?

Of course I am being facetious but ..

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Society is already harsh on the overweight, and you can't stop being overweight with a 15-minute visit to a pharmacist.

I would probably be harsh on anyone who said being obese is just as healthy as being trim (but not on those who said you can be healthy even while you are overweight, which is slightly different). Still not as angry as at antivaxxers. I don't pretend to be perfectly rational.

The Thriller said:

Why hasn’t anybody ever thought of this before? What a genius the PizzaGate guy is!

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Lol

lauriandres said:

Isn't it up to the parents to provide the required protection? Isn't life anyway misery forever for both the parents and the kid (due the myriad of other health issues because of the immunocompromisation?) even if every other person who is going to be close is vaccinated :-(. Should we all wear masks even at the seaside beach (like it was in Spain for some period) until that time arrives? In a grand scheme of things the 4,5 million COVID deaths is pretty tiny number when compared to the total population. Of course, on a personal level, every death is a tragedy no matter whether the age is 1, 10 or 100 years no matter what was the reason. I disagree with you with the point that world should be closed until the virus is eradicted; i find that very unlikely, that we have a COVID zero situation in the near future. And at the same time everybody forgets quite fast the death of kids because of traffic accidents, drowning, violence by other people etc etc. because, well, only COVID deaths are worth the media hype :-(.

And to clarify, of course i am kind of tired-annoyed of the typical snakeoil-crystalball-sales(wo)man-at-least-one-BillGates-related-vaccine nonsense post-per-day kind of persons. We have a fair share of them in Estonia, too.

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So your are suggesting that this hypothetical 4-year-old be locked away in a bubble and stay in his room forever? Or maybe his parents carry guns and whenever someone sneezes they shoot that person to protect their child? The assertion that the parents are responsible to keep their child away from any and all threats and we as a society bear zero responsibility to minimize the risk to our most vulnerable is simply abhorrent.

Conservatives have figured out that liberals pushing the vaccine is a case of reverse psychology.

One Brow said:

Conservatives have figured out that liberals pushing the vaccine is a case of reverse psychology.

Spoiler: NSFW

Nolte: Howard Stern Proves Democrats Want Unvaccinated Trump Voters Dead

Do you want to know why I think Howard Stern is going full-monster with his mockery of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus? Because leftists like Stern and CNNLOL and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Fauci are deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not...

www.breitbart.com

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Or was that reverse psychology to make me get the vaccine so you can control my thoughts and track my movements?

Good news is that cases locally seem to be declining. Still way too high, but we may have hit our peak for now (I imagine winter will bring new challenges).

One Brow said:

Conservatives have figured out that liberals pushing the vaccine is a case of reverse psychology.

Spoiler: NSFW

Nolte: Howard Stern Proves Democrats Want Unvaccinated Trump Voters Dead

Do you want to know why I think Howard Stern is going full-monster with his mockery of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus? Because leftists like Stern and CNNLOL and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Fauci are deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not...

www.breitbart.com

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I thought Breitbart was a division of the Onion.

LogGrad98 said:

So your are suggesting that this hypothetical 4-year-old be locked away in a bubble and stay in his room forever? Or maybe his parents carry guns and whenever someone sneezes they shoot that person to protect their child? The assertion that the parents are responsible to keep their child away from any and all threats and we as a society bear zero responsibility to minimize the risk to our most vulnerable is simply abhorrent.

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I do not envy the situation of the parents whose kids have major health issues - once when i was waiting at my local clinic to do some routine once-a-year checks (blood samples etc, just ordinary diagnostics), when i saw a father and son. Son had a down syndrome, age about 30-40, father somewhere between 65-70. Wanted to do some cardio check and other stuff for the son. My minor health problems diminished to a very tiny ones :-(, really a sad sight. I am definetely not going to be the judge and telling them how they should live their life; if the bubble suits them, then fine. If they will take their chances, then why not. Whether they vaccinate or not, i am not going to be the judge. Their entire life has been suffering anyway.

Shouldn't the right or ideal answer be that the child should be cured from that phenomen? I.e instead of bashing each other, the society should focus on how to prevent that kind of stuff. However, the cynic inside me says, that in a grand scheme of things the market (the stronger party/group) will decide what is the approved solution ... again, should i be in hazmat suit forever, because there is tiny chance, that some moleculs from my body might hurt somebody?

The sad part is that pre COVID those who are considered now the most vulnerable were worth zero looks from politicians, social media warriors and even for some doctors. IMHO ordinary folks who have had not any influence on those with health issues should not stay in house arrest like it is currently in Australia and was in several places in Europe.

And where we draw the line - should somebody receive some kind of a punishment (whether verbal or physical or monetary) that Kirk Douglas died while being only 103 years old?

Avery said:

Good news is that cases locally seem to be declining. Still way too high, but we may have hit our peak for now (I imagine winter will bring new challenges).

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This is expected based on what has happened in India and the UK, although going off memory, their rates have declined, they are still higher than the peak before Delta was prominent in those areas. Being indoors in winter will likely make our fall from peak more gradual/last longer, which will continue to put a strain on hospital systems.

My 8 year old just tested positive yesterday, so I'm guessing the whole crew will be too. I already have a headache and sore throat, so my fingers are crossed that I end up with a more mild reaction. We were headed on an epic international vacation next week, but we had to cancel. So tired of this crap!

lauriandres said:

I do not envy the situation of the parents whose kids have major health issues - once when i was waiting at my local clinic to do some routine once-a-year checks (blood samples etc, just ordinary diagnostics), when i saw a father and son. Son had a down syndrome, age about 30-40, father somewhere between 65-70. Wanted to do some cardio check and other stuff for the son. My minor health problems diminished to a very tiny ones :-(, really a sad sight. I am definetely not going to be the judge and telling them how they should live their life; if the bubble suits them, then fine. If they will take their chances, then why not. Whether they vaccinate or not, i am not going to be the judge. Their entire life has been suffering anyway.

Shouldn't the right or ideal answer be that the child should be cured from that phenomen? I.e instead of bashing each other, the society should focus on how to prevent that kind of stuff. However, the cynic inside me says, that in a grand scheme of things the market (the stronger party/group) will decide what is the approved solution ... again, should i be in hazmat suit forever, because there is tiny chance, that some moleculs from my body might hurt somebody?

The sad part is that pre COVID those who are considered now the most vulnerable were worth zero looks from politicians, social media warriors and even for some doctors. IMHO ordinary folks who have had not any influence on those with health issues should not stay in house arrest like it is currently in Australia and was in several places in Europe.

And where we draw the line - should somebody receive some kind of a punishment (whether verbal or physical or monetary) that Kirk Douglas died while being only 103 years old?

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This is a very insulting post to anyone with a family member with Down Syndrome, and is quite ignorant.

I know a number of fine people with Down syndrome, having had a client that employed them and my wife has many fine individuals that have Down syndrome as patients. Many of them are very intelligent, and friendly people that lead long and meaningful lives. Many of them have more intelligence than a few posters in the general forum.

TheGoldStandard said:

This is expected based on what has happened in India and the UK, although going off memory, their rates have declined, they are still higher than the peak before Delta was prominent in those areas. Being indoors in winter will likely make our fall from peak more gradual/last longer, which will continue to put a strain on hospital systems.

My 8 year old just tested positive yesterday, so I'm guessing the whole crew will be too. I already have a headache and sore throat, so my fingers are crossed that I end up with a more mild reaction. We were headed on an epic international vacation next week, but we had to cancel. So tired of this crap!

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Hope everyone is alright.

TheGoldStandard said:

This is a very insulting post to anyone with a family member with Down Syndrome, and is quite ignorant.

I know a number of fine people with Down syndrome, having had a client that employed them and my wife has many fine individuals that have Down syndrome as patients. Many of them are very intelligent, and friendly people that lead long and meaningful lives. Many of them have more intelligence than a few posters in the general forum.

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Should i make a typical american keep smile face, and state to somebody who has a kid with Down syndrome a la "What a nice and healthy kid you have"!? I would feel it insulting should somebody seriously (or worse case, in an american keep smiling way) state: "Lauriandres, your eyesight is superb and body is in an excellent shape. You are ready to climb successfully the K2 mountain or complete the full size Ironman triathlon under 10 hours".

My point was that a Down syndrome is a IMHO MUCH worse situation for both the kid and parents, than some occasional pain in joints or muscles. At least it is possible to cure COVID or prevent it with the vaccine . The father did not seem happy at all at that situation and doctors had their hands full to calm the patient. And as i said, i was in a SAD mood, not ARROGANT and considered myself lucky i.e i should not complain about my first world issues, when there are much worse situations should you have less luck.

lauriandres said:

Should i make a typical american keep smile face, and state to somebody who has a kid with Down syndrome a la "What a nice and healthy kid you have"!? I would feel it insulting should somebody seriously (or worse case, in an american keep smiling way) state: "Lauriandres, your eyesight is superb and body is in an excellent shape. You are ready to climb successfully the K2 mountain or complete the full size Ironman triathlon under 10 hours".

My point was that a Down syndrome is a IMHO MUCH worse situation for both the kid and parents, than some occasional pain in joints or muscles. At least it is possible to cure COVID or prevent it with the vaccine . The father did not seem happy at all at that situation and doctors had their hands full to calm the patient. And as i said, i was in a SAD mood, not ARROGANT and considered myself lucky i.e i should not complain about my first world issues, when there are much worse situations should you have less luck.

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Interesting you thought I was inferring you were arrogant, when I was inferring that you are ignorant. If you truly knew a person with Down syndrome, and really got to know them, I think your attitude would change.

I'm not going to say that raising a child with Down syndrome (they are not a Down syndrome), is easy, but it definitely is not a life entirely of suffering as you state. My friend and her husband had a child born with Down syndrome, and he brought them so much joy that they adopted another child with Down syndrome from China (and likely saved his life). I can tell you they are a very happy family, and there is love and not suffering in their home, even if they have some challenges that many others do not.

What you need to understand, is that while empathy is one thing, looking at this child and father as if their life is suffering, they see it on your face. They feel shunned and looked down upon. Trust me when I say that people with your attitude towards people with Down syndrome, or any physical or intellectual disability, you amplify any sadness they may have.

Instead, be empathetic and compassionate to the fact that there are many ignorant people, that through their looks of sadness and pity they isolate these people with any syndrome or disease, and their families, and truly cause suffering. Instead, speak with them, be caring, and change your attitude that their entire life is suffering, because I can assure you, it is not.

I truly encourage you to speak to anyone you think is suffering, sometimes just giving a friendly ear can make all the difference, and you may actually learn something too.

*imply/implying

LogGrad98 said:

*imply/implying

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I can see how you would think that, but both uses of the infer were correct in this case.

I clearly stated (no implication) in the prior post that he is ignorant which I inferred from the information I gleaned from his prior post. In turn I suggested the he inferred from my post that he was somehow arrogant, when I clearly stated he was ignorant...

Now if we can only get people to use resign and re-sign correctly...