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KqWIN said:
I’m not taking a victory lap, I’m wondering why the hell we ignored the obvious issues for years. This amnesia that some people get from time to time seems to be shared by the FO. Some people do forget the sky is blue when it comes to our very obvious defensive issues. If you’re upset by this, don’t be one of those people.

I would never claim that this is original or hot take. Some moves, or lack thereof, are exceedingly more frustrating because of how obvious they are. This is one of them.

My guess is that we go on another run at some point, we forget that we had issues in the first place, and we likely see the same fate in the playoffs. Is that expert analysis? No, that’s just what you should expect from almost the exact the same team.
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It's not as though they have made 0 headway (Gay is past his prime and Bojan ain't athletic, but they ain't chopped liver) or that finding such a player is easy is the thing, though. Literally everyone is looking for athletic 6' 8" guys that are good at basketball, and the Jazz have some key disadvantages:
1 - They're too good to draft blue chip talent
2 - They're at a natural disadvantage in free agency
3 - Literally everyone is looking for athletic 6' 8" guys and nobody wants to trade one away.

I think your take would benefit from more concrete examples. Like, if you wanna gripe about trading Josh Hart for TB, then word, completely agreed. Doke over Bane (who is more of a guard and not a premier specimen), right there with you. Who do you think we could have gotten besides these examples?

If you're lamenting that we don't have anyone of the Paul George/Kawhi/Lebron quality then I mean lol
 
Said it this summer and I will say it again - Donny for Dame. I would hang on to JC. I dont think Donny wants to be here and I dont think that is going to change. He likes his coach and teammates and glad to have an owner that bends over backwards for him but he still thinks the grass is greener. And frankly there are not many athletic wings that play good D and shoot the 3 the way people desrcribe them on this board. And no one is trading one of the good ones for Donny. If there were easy to find, we would have picked them up. Flame away.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It's not as though they have made 0 headway (Gay is past his prime and Bojan ain't athletic, but they ain't chopped liver) or that finding such a player is easy is the thing, though. Literally everyone is looking for athletic 6' 8" guys that are good at basketball, and the Jazz have some key disadvantages:
1 - They're too good to draft blue chip talent
2 - They're at a natural disadvantage in free agency
3 - Literally everyone is looking for athletic 6' 8" guys and nobody wants to trade one away.

I think your take would benefit from more concrete examples. Like, if you wanna gripe about trading Josh Hart for TB, then word, completely agreed. Doke over Bane (who is more of a guard and not a premier specimen), right there with you. Who do you think we could have gotten besides these examples?

If you're lamenting that we don't have anyone of the Paul George/Kawhi/Lebron quality then I mean lol
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Well, those are the easy concrete examples. I have gone one step further and said that we need to move on from one of Bogey/Clarkson and try to get that level of player with a different skillset. Even if that player is of a lesser talent in a vacuum, we have such a greater need for the defensive player. I'm not going to go on my long winded rant about how much better we've played when one of our scorers is out, but to me that's just more overwhelming support in favor of that type of move.

It's difficult, especially because we missed a huge window to do so in the summer, but the fact that we may have missed our chance doesn't change my opinion on the topic. We should have made that move this summer and we should still be looking to make that move. There was a long list of targets we've discussed since the off-season. Some of them may still be available, some probably not, and some have already been moved. Nance, Young, Anderson, Hart, Covington, Smart, White ect. are all players that have been discussed at different points of time and different levels of realism.

Rudy Gay wasn't on that list, but I'm happy he's here nonetheless. I don't see him as a defensive solution even if he is a better defender than a lot of rotation (whatever that is worth). But I do see him as a more defensive alternative to our existing offense only players that will affords us even more reason to trade for a defender.

Forgive me if I didn't spell out the exact trade with the specific picks and protections that may be involved, but I do believe we could have had one of those players if we were willing to trade a scorer. So while the Jazz do have significant challenges in finding the player everyone wants, they do have a huge surplus in scoring talent that they decided to hold onto and add to.
 
slc said:
Jazz should consider trading Royce
They looked pretty good with out him last night
Let Ingles start and split time with Gay
See what Jazz might get for Royce or not start him and cut his minutes
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I'd agree, except other teams see him for whay he is. I'm not sure we get much value for him. O l like Royce, but he should not be starting, particularly guarding starting small or PFs.

I honestly think Don as the PG to start with Conley off the bench makes the most sense, especially on D. As much as I dislike Snyder, the coaching staff realizes this too and separates the too of them quite a bit. Always having one of Mike or Don on the court makes sense.

We need more size, and even with age limitations, I'd like to see Gay and Ingles get the lionshare of Royce's minutes.
 
Clarkson for Marcus Smart

Smart is at odds with Tatum and Brown. Boston is struggling this year, but Clarkson is willing to come off the bench and provide much needed scoring for them.

Smart is a perfect fit for us if we want to support Donovan adequately. Smart is a defense first player who can defend at a high level. On offense, he isn't ball dominant and has improved his shooting. He's only 27 and is on a new long term contract.



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What about this trade and not sure if it is even legal

Knicks trade

Randle
Fournier
Barrett
Knox

Jazz trade

Mitchell
Clarkson
Ingles
Paschall
(hell throw Oni in to save some money)

Salaries work. Dont know if any picks would be included

Jazz line up

Conley, Butler, Forrest
O'Neale, Fournier, Hughes
Barrett, Bogdanovic, Knox
Randle, Gay, Fitts
Gobert, Whiteside, Azubuike

Knox is a throw in to make salaries work.
Fournier replaces Clarksons production
Bogey can now play against second teamers
Randles helps with the rebounding and can stretch the floor from the 4
Barrett is actually a decent defender
Jazz save 2 million in the trade (4 million ultimately) Unless you throw in Oni and then that almost doubles
NY gets a superstar in DM
I hate to trade ingles but he makes the salaries work.
Have to include Paschall for obvisous reasons
I am just not convinced NY would do it with out a pick
 
LoPo said:
Clarkson for Marcus Smart

Smart is at odds with Tatum and Brown. Boston is struggling this year, but Clarkson is willing to come off the bench and provide much needed scoring for them.

Smart is a perfect fit for us if we want to support Donovan adequately. Smart is a defense first player who can defend at a high level. On offense, he isn't ball dominant and has improved his shooting. He's only 27 and is on a new long term contract.



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This is my dream trade. Smart provides exactly what this team is lacking. Unfortunately I doubt Boston would do it. If only we had drafted Smart instead of Exum.
 
Xthren said:
What about this trade and not sure if it is even legal

Knicks trade

Randle
Fournier
Barrett
Knox

Jazz trade

Mitchell
Clarkson
Ingles
Paschall
(hell throw Oni in to save some money)

Salaries work. Dont know if any picks would be included

Jazz line up

Conley, Butler, Forrest
O'Neale, Fournier, Hughes
Barrett, Bogdanovic, Knox
Randle, Gay, Fitts
Gobert, Whiteside, Azubuike

Knox is a throw in to make salaries work.
Fournier replaces Clarksons production
Bogey can now play against second teamers
Randles helps with the rebounding and can stretch the floor from the 4
Barrett is actually a decent defender
Jazz save 2 million in the trade (4 million ultimately) Unless you throw in Oni and then that almost doubles
NY gets a superstar in DM
I hate to trade ingles but he makes the salaries work.
Have to include Paschall for obvisous reasons
I am just not convinced NY would do it with out a pick
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That’s a sub 500 team in the west.

Where does our scoring come from? No one on that team takes over games in the 4th. You are all bat **** crazy! Don has what not many have. Yes he is struggling. I will give you that. But we aren’t winning **** without Don or Gobert. Don isn’t the issue. We don’t get past the first round without him last year. We beat the clippers if he’s healthy. We have our foundation it’s Rudy and Don. If they choose to not build around them two that’s on the front office. Don is the offense and Rudy is the defense. 2 headed monster who is capable to win it all with the right pieces around them.
 
Here is something to ponder: Grayson Allen has a higher scoring average this season than Mike Conley as does Desmond Bane.
 
homeytennis said:
Here is something to ponder: Grayson Allen has a higher scoring average this season than Mike Conley as does Desmond Bane.
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And Conley's PER is 41st. Allen and bane are in the 100s. Conley should score more, but the lack of ball movement this season, coupled with his pass first mentality have hurt his scoring #s. He's one of our best scorers, he needs to shoot more.
 
Look this is likely the last ride for this iteration of the Jazz. Enjoy it... there will likely be some re-modeling after this year... think Bojan/JC out (if something doesn't come up this year). If it is a major overhaul I have tough news for many of you... it will be an overhaul around Donovan.

For those who seriously want us to get the best package available... we got a great package for D-Will and ended up living through some super ****** years and the pieces in we got were solid but none really moved the needle much.

We had a few tough games. We need to experiment more. There is a lot of season left but maybe the 1/2 seed being too far away for us to justify a hard push is a blessing in disguise. Seeding is going to be a **** show and unless you get all the way to the #1 seed you are likely going to have to play both Phoenix and GS. Unless GS has a 15-20 game injury to Curry or Green I don't think we will be closing in on them.
 
I think the trade is either JC or Bojan. I think Bojan has a lot more trade value but I also would much rather keep him. Rudy Gay's play has been great. I don't think you want to seriously increase his playing time though. I think this role is perfect and he can ramp up a few more minutes in the playoffs. Having another rebounder on the court and help defender seems to have made a big difference.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think the trade is either JC or Bojan. I think Bojan has a lot more trade value but I also would much rather keep him. Rudy Gay's play has been great. I don't think you want to seriously increase his playing time though. I think this role is perfect and he can ramp up a few more minutes in the playoffs. Having another rebounder on the court and help defender seems to have made a big difference.
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Put me down as “seriously interested” in a JC trade... and subsequent shifts in the roster that include:
(a) Bojan spending more minutes with the second unit
(b) Gay spending more of his limited minutes with the starters
(c) more shots for Conley and Ingles.

FWIW, I was saying this **** in the summer, but I’m more convinced now, so...
 
NAOS said:
Put me down as “seriously interested” in a JC trade... and subsequent shifts in the roster that include:
(a) Bojan spending more minutes with the second unit
(b) Gay spending more of his limited minutes with the starters
(c) more shots for Conley and Ingles.

FWIW, I was saying this **** in the summer, but I’m more convinced now, so...
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The best semi-realistic trade idea I saw posted is @KqWIN ’s idea of JC to Cleveland, Markanan to SA, White to Utah… Cleveland losing Mobley for a few weeks and now Markanan playing in his correct position may put a kink in that… it would help if they lost a few more games. Cleveland having a little success and getting overly excited to keep the momentum going is a team that might make a short term move to ensure they make the play in.

JC trades are difficult to make.
 
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