Trade deadline discussion

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:

The notion that Conley can’t be #3 is ridiculous. His stats are very competitive with CP3. CP3 is a better playmaker but Conley is a much better shooter. Just stop with that crap.

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Conley doesn't do **** in the playoffs. Look up those stats.

A combination of Conley, Bojan, Don and Rudy gets exposed on the perimeter in the playoffs. We need Bojan's floor spacing and size. We also need a great wing defender with size over an undersized guard who will probably be hurt for half of our games.

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I know competition hasn’t been that stiff as of late but I love the way the team is trending. I think a lot of you are freaking out due to how we were playing a month ago and a lot of that was on the shoulders of CJ and Mitchell. Both have been fan-damn-tastic as of late and the team is following I’ve even noticed CJ developing good chemistry with Whiteside. He’s improved his playmaking and is taking far less threes per game.

LoPo said:

Conley doesn't do **** in the playoffs. Look up those stats.

A combination of Conley, Bojan, Don and Rudy gets exposed on the perimeter in the playoffs. We need Bojan's floor spacing and size. We also need a great wing defender with size over an undersized guard who will probably be hurt for half of our games.

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No matter what you do this team will get exposed in some way. Some of the defensive deficiencies are covered up by Gobert. We need Conley far more for playmaking and shooting, and he’s far from being our weakest perimeter defender. Take Conley off and our deficiencies are much worse on the offensive end. What you say makes no sense and can basically be translated as “just make a damn trade, and trading Conley would be most entertaining”

You have no basketball sense whatsoever.

LoPo said:

Conley doesn't do **** in the playoffs. Look up those stats.

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Conley missed most of the playoffs and wasn’t 100% and not in game shape when he did play. Last years issues vs the clips was horrendous perimeter defense and not all of our perimeter defenders were healthy, namely Conley and Mitchell.

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:

I know competition hasn’t been that stiff as of late but I love the way the team is trending. I think a lot of you are freaking out due to how we were playing a month ago and a lot of that was on the shoulders of CJ and Mitchell. Both have been fan-damn-tastic as of late and the team is following I’ve even noticed CJ developing good chemistry with Whiteside. He’s improved his playmaking and is taking far less threes per game.

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nah, what we need is a Jrue or Lonzo Ball typa point guard who can shoot but not ball-dominant and has the size/athleticism to guard 1-3.

I haven't felt that we'd make any big move (and my definition of big move here is anything that sends out one of our current rotation guys) for quite a while. Ainge throws a variable in that that I am totally uncertain on, but presuming no big move in terms of a trade, I'm also going to add on that we won't make any addition around the edges, either. Or at least that if we make that addition, it won't be relevant and it will effectively be like we didn't make that move. That's not to say it couldn't be a beneficial move, but we often talk about Quin and the sex machine, but really he's a guy who is very rigid and wants it scheduled and he wants very specific positions at very specific times and there can be no variance. Almost like the psychological profile of a serial kiIler. I believe there's a lot to glean from the Shaq situation. It's not to make a savior argument. We watched a fairly epic collapse, losing three straight games to Denver, in large part due to a complete inability to make anything difficult for Jamal Murray. We continued to see such trends and bringing in Shaq gave at least an option off the bench. Not even a "hey, you gotta play this guy 20 mpg" option, but just something that you could at least toy with over a season. We didn't see that. It wasn't that we got a small sample size. We didn't get anything at all.. There wasn't once that there was any experimentation at all of him being a guy you could bring in for any defensive purpose. It defaulted to garbage-time PG in all of his whopping 56 minutes played. All of them. Over the season, there was never any different approach Quin would take other than defaulting Royce as the "perimeter stopper." We played a series against LAC where we watched what Reggie Jackson did. We watched him effortlessly get to his spots and light us up. We watched it happen over the course of four straight losses with literally no adjustment. We also saw no utilization or experiementation with Ilyasova when it was apparent that Favors was nailed to the floor.

I can not conceivably think of any possible move in terms of signing that causes Quin to deviate in any fashion from what he does. If he isn't going to experiment even to an infinitismally small degree over the course of an entire season, and won't make any adjustment in a four-game, season-ending collapse, then he sure as **** isn't adjusting now or especially in the post-season to something he 'has not even tested out.'

A nice piece on Torrey Craig. The most realistic trade target on this Indiana team.

jom2003 said:

A nice piece on Torrey Craig. The most realistic trade target on this Indiana team.

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I forgot this guy has been suggested as a target, he'd make a lot of sense. I wonder not only what it would take, but who he'd replace.
Would he play or be valued ahead of Royce, Ingles, Gay, etc? Who would he rank ahead of, regardless of trade? I'm not sure. The potential
to play him along any of those three could answer a ton of problems.

Okay, I've had Marcus Smartacus lower on my wish list than others for a couple reasons, but this video quickly changed my mind.
I love JC but if it comes down to that, I'd lean towards pulling the trigger. While watching this, I realized it doesn't seem the jazz
have a coordinated or adaptable defense. This would help a lot.

Ainge has also been a head coach and so maybe Quin might not be quite so rigid with the new sheriff. He might try the bluff and have Ainge call BS on it by siting his own experiences. Perhaps Shaq Jr. might stand a chance if he is brought in.

Pacer fans seem to value Craig pretty low, he has two guys ahead of him that basically do what he does and moving him could save salary. I'd push hard to add him, it probably wouldn't cost a rotation player.

The Jazz need to keep Clarkson to play against switching defenses. The guys to move are Ingles and Gay. They're now both too old to be effective against long, athletic, switchy teams.

I'd love to get Smart. Craig more meh. There'd be minutes for him, but not sure how much of a difference he'd make.

I’m too sentimental normally but I’m convinced now that ingles has turned that corner and it’s not just a slump thing. Still, ingles for Smart/Hart is just not going to happen. Those guys are too valuable for their respective teams. Ingles for Satoranski works and would be a bargain for us even with a late second round pick thrown in IMO. Might could get one coming in on this deal or a young wing or both.

The Jazz traded fan-favorites like Alec Burks, Joe Johnson and Jae Crowder, and they walked away from Ricky Rubio. Surely, they can move on from Joe Ingles.

We won't get value back from a Joe trade that makes it worth losing him.

Clarkson and Conley both have good value right now. I don't see why we need Conley, Clarkson and Don when our perimeter defense is so bad.

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LoPo said:

We won't get value back from a Joe trade that makes it worth losing him.

Clarkson and Conley both have good value right now. I don't see why we need Conley, Clarkson and Don when our perimeter defense is so bad.

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If only one of Don or Clarkson was half the defender Conley is. It would alleviate a huge portion of Jazz's defensive woes.

My assumption is that Ainge, based on what he’s seen since being onboard, is probably feeling that it would be malpractice to keep status quo with our obvious defensive issues. We’ve got an expensive team that has a narrow window that took a lot of time to assemble. We’re essentially driving a Mercedes without insurance and many raising the question are told to shut up and enjoy the ride.

I enjoy the ride. That’s why it needs to be protected with insurance and I don’t want to see all that work go up in flames.

infection said:

My assumption is that Ainge, based on what he’s seen since being onboard, is probably feeling that it would be malpractice to keep status quo with our obvious defensive issues. We’ve got an expensive team that has a narrow window that took a lot of time to assemble. We’re essentially driving a Mercedes without insurance and many raising the question are told to shut up and enjoy the ride.

I enjoy the ride. That’s why it needs to be protected with insurance and I don’t want to see all that work go up in flames.

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Hopefully you're right that Ainge will be our salvation. We'll see how it goes.

Release the Kraken said:

I’m too sentimental normally but I’m convinced now that ingles has turned that corner and it’s not just a slump thing. Still, ingles for Smart/Hart is just not going to happen. Those guys are too valuable for their respective teams. Ingles for Satoranski works and would be a bargain for us even with a late second round pick thrown in IMO. Might could get one coming in on this deal or a young wing or both.

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I've liked Sato in the past, but I don't think he's any sort of answer to what ails the Jazz these days.