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infection said:
Reading this has me thinking the only rationalization for what Portland did to have this public Ingles spectacle when he was expiring salary filler in a deal. If they were thinking they’d want to land Gobert, then Ingles is probably the best guy in the league to pair with him (not really the best, but you know what I mean). I don’t think people think this far out like they’ve got some grand conspiracy, but nothing about them not just waiving Joe made sense. Having his bird rights is pointless. You want the rights so you can sign him for larger than market value? When he’s whatever age he is, coking off a major injury, and won’t be available for almost the entirety of next year? Why we’re they bringing him out, putting PR out, sending their medical people out to Chicago for his surgery and rehab. Then doing that with hopes of bringing in someone like Gobert to pair with him still makes no sense and is message board fantasy, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than whatever reason we can say about them really wanting his bird rights.
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I think plan A is to get Jerami Grant and use their faux cap space to sign another player. If Dame comes back the want to be competitive, and Joe can be an asset to that team even if he's spending next year mostly rehabbing. Rudy Gobert seems like a plan B, but it really should have been a plan A for them. Had they just rolled with Dame-Simons-Hart-Powell-Covington-Gobert I really like that group.
 
KqWIN said:
I think they have this idea that someone will sign to play with Dame, but not likely to happen. Part of me thinks that a Rudy trade might save them. Not win a championship, but they’ll win a lot of games with Rudy+Dame and that’s not worth nothing. Dame mentioned that the Blazers need their “Chris Paul” trade, and Rudy would really help them….he would really, really help them if they still had Powell and Covington. Man that was a horrific deal. Sending out CJ, Powell, Nance, and Covington with so little in return is horrendous.

I don’t want to try to rationalize what POR is doing….all I know is that the Jazz need to take advantage of one of these obviously vulnerable franchises whenever the opportunity arises. We can talk about mistake x, y, and z the Jazz have made….but the one constant is that they always pay premium. They need to fleece someone….anyone. Even if it’s just negotiating a single team friendly contract that would be a start.

Next time a team is giving away two players who are exactly what we need, don’t ****ing trade Ingles for NAW instead.
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Bold prediction... and just me reading tea leaves - nothing else... Dame Lillard forces his way to Phoenix after CP3 retires.
 
fatcougar said:
Cam Johnson is not better than Bogdanovic.
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Yes he is lol. Don't be a homer. Hes 26, was 2nd in the NBA in 3 Point FG% this year before he got hurt, and plays very serviceable individual defense, and is an excellent team defender.

Cam Johnson is one of the best 6th men in the league, and frankly the Suns would be much scarier if he was starting over Crowder.
 
Hekate said:
The thing with Ja and Trae is that they are PGs. They are consistent playmakers and provide different aspects as the shortest guys on the team. Mitchell checks just one box.

If you bring a tall guard that plays versatile defense and shoots, the defensive weakness isn't going to be glaring. Jazz could hide him so much better but then all the offensive load falls on him and never in his career has he shown an ability switch between his playmaking and scoring duties. I don't think Mitchell is as selfish as he is made to be sometimes but he is a very limited passer. The offense is going to stall and that's still a deadly playoff weakness.

Asking him to improve his playmaking is the same as asking Gobert to improve his post-ups. That's just not who they are. I think that's why the focus has been defense so much.
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Great minds... :D
 
outerspacefan said:
Great minds... :D
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Trae Young had more turnovers (30) than he had made baskets (22) in that 5 game series.

I don't know if I would be applauding Trae quite yet. Don had a bad series, but still had some good games and some excellent stretches.
 
KqWIN said:
<...> ….all I know is that the Jazz need to take advantage of one of these obviously vulnerable franchises whenever the opportunity arises. We can talk about mistake x, y, and z the Jazz have made….but the one constant is that they always pay premium. They need to fleece someone….anyone. Even if it’s just negotiating a single team friendly contract that would be a start.
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You're right indeed.
Problem is Jazz already allowed a killer narrative on their players to be firmly installed around the league.
 
LoPo said:
Trae Young had more turnovers (30) than he had made baskets (22) in that 5 game series.

I don't know if I would be applauding Trae quite yet. Don had a bad series, but still had some good games and some excellent stretches....
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Of course, great minds are aware of Trae shortcomings!
But the point remains. Don's not a floor general, he does not have it. Forcing him to do it stalls everything.
I'm sure to stop trying to assign him a role based on his height would be a step in the right direction.
He's a scorer, just let him play who and what he is.
 
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outerspacefan said:
Of course, great minds are aware of Trae shortcomings!
But the point remains. Don's not a floor general, he does not have it. Forcing him to do it stalls everything.
I'm sure to stop trying to assign him a role based on his height would be an advance in the right direction.
He's a scorer, just let him play who and what he is.
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I don't really get this. Donovan has lots of shortcomings, but when I've been watching the games, I'm almost always left with a feeling that he's been setting people up with open shots left and right, and should have had lots more assists if our guys just his their threes.

For me, the really, really odd man out is his plays with Rudy. I feel like if you go back a year or two, they worked together well, but this past year, DM->Rudy passes have been really rare, and it hurts everyone. I guess this is related to their poor off-court relationship, but obviously not easy to say. I buy into the narrative that Donovan is a primadonna who's more bought into his own brand than winning, and he's convinced that Rudy is at odds with his objective. I think the two need to split up, and personally, I'd prefer one of those Donovan to NYK for all the things trades.
 
hgb said:
I don't really get this. Donovan has lots of shortcomings, but when I've been watching the games, I'm almost always left with a feeling that he's been setting people up with open shots left and right, and should have had lots more assists if our guys just his their threes.

For me, the really, really odd man out is his plays with Rudy. I feel like if you go back a year or two, they worked together well, but this past year, DM->Rudy passes have been really rare, and it hurts everyone. I guess this is related to their poor off-court relationship, but obviously not easy to say. I buy into the narrative that Donovan is a primadonna who's more bought into his own brand than winning, and he's convinced that Rudy is at odds with his objective. I think the two need to split up, and personally, I'd prefer one of those Donovan to NYK for all the things trades.
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Yes, Don can find an open guy, and he can attack and dime to an open target out...

But there's a stage where defenses tighten and make choices. Against the Jazz the choice is to over defend the ballhandler and perimeter and let Rudy not to have consistent O production against lesser defenders nor gravity moving off of the paint.
(That's why JC can maneuver thru bodies and find space for his middies btw).

At the other end on the Jazz floor, Rudy's got to make for all the no D guys around him, which is an impossible task in today's game.
Not only Rudy ends up overwhelmed and forced to drop and be caught in the middle almost every time, but his teammates end up playing 4 on 5 perimeter D... imagine 4 ugly defenders playing 4 on 5 D... well in fact we do not have to imagine that...

So... our team usually finds itself O-ded and bleeding out D.

It's not sustainable, never was. As another fellow poster already stated (sorry I can't remember who but he/she nailed it) that reguiar season best record was the fluke of this iteration of the team.

2 main cogs just don't blend. I admire them for trying hard and long. But it's time to stop hurting both of them... and the chances to build another thing.
 
Luka was mercilessly hunted in game 2. Jason Kidd basically says that Luka has to raise to the occasion and it on his own like Dirk did. Did Luka whine? Did Kidd make no adjustments? No, Luka played harder and Kidd made adjustments. It was a team effort and the Suns scored 94 points tonight. Don probably would have had Kidd fired if he publicly challenged his defense.
 
If I wasn't a Jazz fan, I would say this playoffs has been awesome. No clear favorite, and teams are fighting like crazy to win. The series are going back and forth and we're really seeing some standout performances from guys in tough situations. Even if Luka/Embiid don't advance, you have to appreciate their toughness and will to win. There was none of that from this Jazz team.
 
JazzGal said:
I don't often watch the NBA playoffs after the Jazz go out until the Finals. But I'm having to watch the Western Conference games just to remind myself that I still like basketball. Our series looked nothing like the games being played now.
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The Mavs and Grizz are making these competitive series. The Mavericks just played with passion and effort that I haven’t seen the Jazz play with since Spida’s rookie year. That series against the Thunder was really fun.
 
Yeesh, CP3 has been so good offensively but he has been getting hunted to no end. Suns are lucky, Booker stepped up and starting being an option on the defensive end.
 
Hekate said:
Yeesh, CP3 has been so good offensively but he has been getting hunted to no end. Suns are lucky, Booker stepped up and starting being an option on the defensive end.
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Hes 37 - so his defense isn't what it once was. However, the Mavs weren't able to be successful on every possession doing it, which speaks wonders to his ability even at 37.

Last night felt like a very typical desperation Game 3 from the home team.

The Suns statistically beat the Mavs in every major category last night, but turned it over 17 times to the Mavs 8. CP3 had 7 of them in the first half, which is the most hes ever had in his career.

Mavs played well, but that "felt" very fluky - I don't think the Suns lose again in this series.
 
KqWIN said:
If I wasn't a Jazz fan, I would say this playoffs has been awesome. No clear favorite, and teams are fighting like crazy to win. The series are going back and forth and we're really seeing some standout performances from guys in tough situations. Even if Luka/Embiid don't advance, you have to appreciate their toughness and will to win. There was none of that from this Jazz team.
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At the risk of beating a dead horse, I really don’t get it. I don’t see how a team can play so unmotivated for an entire season, have everyone continue to imply that they’ll turn it on when they need to, come out in the playoffs so unprepared, and play so passionless over 6 games, and have this not be a huge reflection on coaching and believe that you can run it back with the same staff. I think maybe you’re on the ‘he is definitely gone’ wagon, as was I, but you’d think we would have addressed this by now to send a message and not been sending all those signals out there, on the record and off, that he’s coming back.
 
infection said:
At the risk of beating a dead horse, I really don’t get it. I don’t see how a team can play so unmotivated for an entire season, have everyone continue to imply that they’ll turn it on when they need to, come out in the playoffs so unprepared, and play so passionless over 6 games, and have this not be a huge reflection on coaching and believe that you can run it back with the same staff. I think maybe you’re on the ‘he is definitely gone’ wagon, as was I, but you’d think we would have addressed this by now to send a message and not been sending all those signals out there, on the record and off, that he’s coming back.
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It was all Rudy Gay's fault. He did not love the system and the Japanese management theory enough.
 
fatcougar said:
Oh yeah because Chris Paul is such a big guard right…
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You mean the greatest marvel in the league right now and automatic hall of famer that is strong as hell and smarter/more focused on winning than literally everyone else on the court?

Those players are common.
 
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