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Woj says the Jazz are listening to offers for Mitchell

NUMBERICA said:
Any potential cap space for the next three years is for rent to take on picks anyway. So there is for sure an opportunity cost incurred by the Jazz for the cap they use, but if the part of the deal that is taking on Simmons is two unprotected picks then you try to assess if that was a good use of the space. But it’s not as though Simmons’ salary is a real expense due to the 90% cap rule.

And then there’s the possibility that this is kind of exactly what Simmons needed and it actually goes kinda well. But the above analysis should be the principle one as him actually playing basketball or being good should not be expected.
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I think being on a bad team with no expectations would be really good for Simmons mentally to get back on track. It takes that immense pressure off him of being a key cog in a championship caliber team for a few years.
 
KqWIN said:
If the Nets deal(s) get done, they'd probably love to have some combination of Bogey/Conley/Clarkson/Beverley as well. I'd be happy to take back Joe Harris and some sweeter for their pick of our vets. If Danny weasels his way to get the Lakers picks and distant Suns pick, that is a godfather type package.
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We can grease palms of both teams to make it happen. Those are PREMIUM picks so if it costs Vando too then do it. He has a ton of value to cap conscious teams trying to win now imo. Kyrie/Vando/Bev may get them to part with those picks they are saying they won't put in... Bogey/Mike or JC to Nets instead of Westbrook.

It'd be wild to have 10 unprotected picks in the future... plus swaps.
 
sip said:
That is how I view Ben as well. The thing about Ben is that his teams have always been competing for a top seed and I think that is one of the primary reasons why he hasn't tried more to expand his game during the season. Put him on a team with zero expectations and I think he would feel more comfortable taking those outside shots even if he is shooting them at low rate. That is the first step for him to becoming a decent outside shooter. We have all seen the offseason videos of him shooting outside shots and he looks good but it just hasn't translated to his actually game. Put him on a crappy team for a few years where he is forced to take a lot of shots and I would put money on his game improving quite a bit. In the meantime while he is working on his game we are able to low key tank. Somewhat similar to what we have seen with the thunder and SGA. He has blown up these last few years but his supporting cast has been so bad and inexperienced that it hasn't hindered the tank that much.
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Yeah….I know why someone wouldn’t like Ben Simmons as a person/player, but I do believe he has a better chance at being a star than a couple of mediocre draft picks. If he just got back to where he was, which isn’t unrealistic at all, he’s a player valued similarly to the guy we’re trading (Mitchell). I don’t really believe he can be much better than he was in PHI (maybe he can look better with a better fit), but he was a damn good player not too long ago.

He comes with a lot of risk and stink….but this is the type of bet we can make. We’ll probably get more picks than we would if we chose Barrett/Herro anyways because his value is so low.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We can grease palms of both teams to make it happen. Those are PREMIUM picks so if it costs Vando too then do it. He has a ton of value to cap conscious teams trying to win now imo. Kyrie/Vando/Bev may get them to part with those picks they are saying they won't put in... Bogey/Mike or JC to Nets instead of Westbrook.

It'd be wild to have 10 unprotected picks in the future... plus swaps.
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Yup…so many ways we can grease this trade up. We can also sneak in a Beverley/JC for THT to sweeten things up. Maybe we should just do that anyways.
 
The best part about having all those picks is you can grow organically without having to pull shenanigans to make sure you are ****** for 4-5 years. You don't have to tank so hard because you have other stuff coming your way that could turn into stars. We'd definitely suck for a couple years but you don't have to worry as much about being caught in the middle if you win a little earlier than expected.
 
Going to be a crazy season coming up. I do wonder though, how is the team going to get people in seats if there isn't any player to cheer for? And with the All Star game coming to town. Is that game going to be the only sell out we have next season? Going to be interesting to say the least.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
the latest rumors seem to have us focused on picks... so that's a good sign. Andy also said with the Heat they are still in it but they need help... said we kinda told them to see what picks they can get for their other guys. So Riley has to find them a deal for Herro/Lowry that nets us something we prefer.
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I think we would want Herro. Ainge loved him pre-draft. If I remember correctly I thought it was they need to find picks for Lowry and Robinson which isn’t going to happen but it theoretically could I guess. We take back Herro, Jovic, salary filler and 5 1sts with 3 pick swaps. That is assuming they can get a 1st for both Lowry and Robinson.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The best part about having all those picks is you can grow organically without having to pull shenanigans to make sure you are ****** for 4-5 years. You don't have to tank so hard because you have other stuff coming your way that could turn into stars. We'd definitely suck for a couple years but you don't have to worry as much about being caught in the middle if you win a little earlier than expected.
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Having your assets spread over time is also helpful so as to not be in a position where you have 6 picks every year and vanishing opportunities to actually develop them.

Except I am all about getting every 2023 pick possible and starting from scratch like rarely ever seen.
 
Are we going to get a season with Westbrook, Beverley and Simmons?
 
I'd still rather have unprotected picks from NY. They can give out their next 4 years in a row because they have picks in the off years from other teams.
Give us the unprotected, and hope they are still a bad team.

I'd rather have theirs than picks from any of the playoff teams.

We know how picks from 14-30 go for us. We don't need more of that. I know it's all a crap shoot, but the odds are higher that we get someone good with a high pick.
If we are picking in the teens and twenties from all this, I might lose interest and start following indoor soccer.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, so maybe not a super reputable thing I pushed, but the dude hasnt made a single comment on any of the Jazz moves and isnt showing up to SL to support the team. He's pretty clearly signaling he isnt invested in the Jazz.
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Why would he after the organization told him they are doing what is best for the franchise.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm not a person who gives a **** about Donovan being super invested in SLC/Utah. I dont care if he doesnt live here in the off-season or spends next to no time in Utah in the off-season, but damn, show up for SL to support the young dudes ( I mean, you know the dude loves Vegas, he made Utah have the first half of their training camp there last year), make some positive public comments on the new coaching hire, etc. The very basic things that nearly ever star does for their team.
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I didn't know it was DM job to be the PR person for the Jazz. Why go to SL if the Jazz are going to trade him as they have publicly said they are open to doing so?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sure, which I understand, but if training camp starts and he is still on the team, the media silence is a pretty bad look from a professionalism standpoint.
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How is silence unprofessional? I would think complaining to the media would be. He asked the organization what the direction of the team was headed. The Jazz said what they are doing is best for the organization. Seems to me that if that is the case then why talk to the team. Wait until they make a decision and then deal with it professionally.
 
I have a policy of not burning bridges, sometimes even with those that others might see as enemies. You never know when you might need something from that person later. I know it's not trendy, and I don't expect others to do it, but DM used to be the type of media savy guy who would practice such things.

Rudy did it, and his trade was much more of a breaking story.



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cowhide said:
I didn't know it was DM job to be the PR person for the Jazz. Why go to SL if the Jazz are going to trade him as they have publicly said they are open to doing so?
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Good lord dude. Jazz have said quite the opposite. They have kept the same line all off season. Their priority is too build around Mitchell. They only recently "officially" opened the window of saying they will be more open to trade talks around him.
 
cowhide said:
How is silence unprofessional? I would think complaining to the media would be. He asked the organization what the direction of the team was headed. The Jazz said what they are doing is best for the organization. Seems to me that if that is the case then why talk to the team. Wait until they make a decision and then deal with it professionally.
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When your the highest paid member of an organization your expected to help uphold an image a bit more.

If he's traded, whatever.

But if he's not dealt and Utah actually tries to build around him, it's just a bad look and unprofessional. The moment some adversity hits he goes radio silence.
 
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