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This jazz team is going to be an absolute abomination.

The Fresh Prince said:
The league hates tanking tbh. We will probably end around 20-25 wins, at worse. There's a lot of teams playing for VW too, so it's going to be hard to get THAT bad. Like San Antonio Spurs bad.
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I think the league doesn't mind tanking as long as it's only a few teams.
 
Aldridge agrees.

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The Skinny: Danny Ainge is not sentimental. It took him about five minutes after taking the Jazz’s top decision-making job to show three-time Defensive Player of the Year Gobert out the door, for five players and control over multiple first-round picks. And Ainge followed that trade up by finally moving Mitchell – though not to the Knicks, as had been rumored and negotiated all summer, but to Cleveland. Beverley never even had a practice in SLC before being re-routed; the likelihood of other vets following him out the door during camp and early in the season is great. It will leave Utah facing a massive restart — but also in a position to, as Ainge did in Boston, rebuild with high lottery picks going forward. After the Mitchell trade, Utah now controls, including its own, an incredible 18 (!!!) first-round picks between 2023 and 2029. The Jazz can get into any trade, in any year between ’23 and ’29, for any player. The immediate impact, though, won’t be pretty, and this exercise grades whether a team is better now than it was at season’s end. Plainly, Utah is not. And with the likely re-routing of more vets, including Bojan Bogdanovic, Mike Conley and others, Hardy is starting with a bad hand. But he’ll have the runway to build the Jazz back up over the coming years.
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I do think most are way underrating the Jazz. I don't expect them to be great or anything, but if Will Hardy is good at all we are going to be way more competitive than given credit for.
 
Jaymz said:
Full on tanking has never been the jazz style. However since management changes things could be different. I’m with you though, cheering for those young guys trying hard it’s a lot more fun.


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This.

I think Jazz fans should be happy with an extremely young team playing with intensity and effort.

I’m not gonna freak out if this team ends up “winning to much” as that should be seen as a really positive sign. Obviously the higher the draft picks, the better but the NBA is littered with examples of bad franchises that are on a hamster wheel. They constantly lose, end up in the top 5 of the draft year after year, yet can’t find a way to get off the wheel.

I think losing is probably the most overrated aspect of tanking in this forum. This rebuild will rise or fall off of how well Ainge leverages his assets to bring in talented players and if he hits on the draft picks that the Jazz end up using.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I do think most are way underrating the Jazz. I don't expect them to be great or anything, but if Will Hardy is good at all we are going to be way more competitive than given credit for.
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I think we have two years in the dumps... at least. The plan may be to go quick but the plan is not under their complete control. Exiting the dumps before getting at least one young star talent is a mistake. If the star talent pulls you out of the dumps then you are good to go. If you shortcut it with floor raising FA additions (like NY did) you end up in late lotto purgatory.

I think the plan is to go quick but that is the ideal path that relies on landing something awesome this year or next.

I'll have to take a closer look at the FA market. I would be aggressive in pursuing young FA if there are any with upside. Lock em up long term and like you said... they become amazing values. But that is like a side part of the plan. The biggest part is to land some top tier young talent.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
REMEMBER,

Memphis won 33 games the year they got the 2nd pick to get Ja Morant. Tanking doesn't grant you the 1st pick in the draft.
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if your goal is to get the 1st pick, you're going to be disappointed. iow, you don't tank to get the 1st pick, you tank to get a top 5 pick in a draft that appears to be crazy strong at the very top - and you hope next years draft is similarly strong and do it again.
 
bopahull said:
Actually the Kings have had many #1 and or top 5 picks over the years, they just haven't done anything with them.
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False. They have not had any #1 picks. They've had some Top 5s in weak drafts, but mainly float in the #9 - #14 range. You can look this up.
 
If we don't suck hard enough we can always package some picks to move up for a top player.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
if your goal is to get the 1st pick, you're going to be disappointed. iow, you don't tank to get the 1st pick, you tank to get a top 5 pick in a draft that appears to be crazy strong at the very top - and you hope next years draft is similarly strong and do it again.
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Yeah I was just saying that you can win 30 games, luck out and get a high pick.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
The league hates tanking tbh. We will probably end around 20-25 wins, at worse. There's a lot of teams playing for VW too, so it's going to be hard to get THAT bad. Like San Antonio Spurs bad.
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There has never been fewer teams tanking at least in the modern era. The flattened odds and play in are working quite well.
 
NUMBERICA said:
There has never been fewer teams tanking at least in the modern era. The flattened odds and play in are working quite well.
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The writings on the wall, I feel for us to replace Gobert with Vic. I think if we get him it will change 3-5 year rebuild into a 2 year rebuild. What I'm wondering is if OKC gets another #1 pick are they going to align Victor with Chet?
 
I'm not gonna lie... I'm pretty excited to see this team play. Sexton is gonna be pretty fun. Dude goes hard. Then you have Simone and Lauri opening up the court... I'm excited to see what those two can do... I know Lauri has been around a while but the injuries derailed him quite a bit early in his career and last year he was a square peg in a round hole. Ochai is interesting 3 and D prospect. I think Vando has a 50% chance he gets moved if we go full tank... if not that guy plays his *** off. See what we have in Kessler and Doke (I don't hate Doke but I hated that pick... I sincerely hope the kid gets a chance this year cuz he's had to deal with some stuff that is tough). Beasley could be a great redemption story too.

I don't think this team is an abomination at all. I think THT is the only player I'm not excited about watching. Bolmaro and NAW don't excite me much but who knows. My guy JB has been a full afterthought here. As long as we move one of Conley or JC he will get some time to see what is there (summer league was dreadful though). Just hope we don't end up with too many vets left over and seeing a Ty Corbin style coaching approach (fairly confident that doesn't happen).
 
Sorry, I need to vent. This whinging over the lost glories of losing to teams in the playoffs far less talented and/or injured to hell really needs to stop.

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Folks really need to grow a pair and embrace the tank. They were not going anywhere as it was. "Utah isn’t equipped to rebuild like this. They aren’t like other franchises." is probably the most snowflake response I've seen in a while.
Grow up.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm not gonna lie... I'm pretty excited to see this team play. Sexton is gonna be pretty fun. Dude goes hard. Then you have Simone and Lauri opening up the court... I'm excited to see what those two can do... I know Lauri has been around a while but the injuries derailed him quite a bit early in his career and last year he was a square peg in a round hole. Ochai is interesting 3 and D prospect. I think Vando has a 50% chance he gets moved if we go full tank... if not that guy plays his *** off. See what we have in Kessler and Doke (I don't hate Doke but I hated that pick... I sincerely hope the kid gets a chance this year cuz he's had to deal with some stuff that is tough). Beasley could be a great redemption story too.

I don't think this team is an abomination at all. I think THT is the only player I'm not excited about watching. Bolmaro and NAW don't excite me much but who knows. My guy JB has been a full afterthought here. As long as we move one of Conley or JC he will get some time to see what is there (summer league was dreadful though). Just hope we don't end up with too many vets left over and seeing a Ty Corbin style coaching approach (fairly confident that doesn't happen).
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When it was clear we were going the rebuild route, my only ask was to have at least a few players on the team that would be fun to watch. So, it was nice of the FO to oblige... In Sexton, we have a guy who can easily get 30+ any game, and there's a decent chance he'll average ~25/game. We have a handful of guys who should be able to make it rain from the corner: Markkanen, Fontecchio, Agbaji. Sprinkle in the defense/hustle from Vanderbilt and the occasional games where THT or NAW can go off, and I agree, it should be a fun team to watch.
 
I don't mind tanking, but I would like us to remain the only team never to have lost 60 games in a season.
 
Rumors are the NBA is going to announce expansion to Seattle and Vegas soon. Hope it is soon so we can get an expansion draft out of the way as soon as possible before we have a bunch of developing picks and can't protect them all.
 
Middle of the country, small market, non player destination cities such as Minnesota and Cleveland were garbage a few years ago and are now strong playoff contenders due to having drafted young potential franchise players. They struck and traded picks while they have the likes of Ant, Garland, Mobley still on rookie contracts. It only takes a few years of 'tanking', ( I really hate that word), to hit on draft picks if you have a smart FO making the picks. This past season was such a drag. It was clear the Rudy/Don team was a dead esp since they had so few assets to work with. Honestly I'd much rather watch the kids out there hustling even if it means more mistakes on the court and way fewer wins this season.

Ainge is armed with so many draft picks it's only a matter of time until this team is in contention and everyone is jumping back on the bandwagon.
 
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